[Srewxardsasv]

i have been following this material for about a year now. about everything i have discovered on my own has led me to understand we are all special. no one is above or beneath anyone. the idea of only some people will "graduate" or whatever you want to call it does not sit well, or feel right to me. it does not in anyway sound fair, to every human on this planet, and the souls also in waiting that are not incarnated here at this time. some people say you have to meditate, etc so on and so forth. the remainder of people who don't "cut it" are basically stuck here to weather whatever disaster(s) befall the planet. sounds alot like christianity to me. this makes the idea of ascension a great golden thing for a small percentage of the population. everyone else, well, we get to start over with no memory of the life and lives we've lived on this sphere, after of course, we die. this universal standard cannot be accurate. the amount of suffering people have and will continue to endure deserves more than this. its no secret that humans have been supressed and held in the dark since as long as we can remember. everyone and everything deserves this. from starving children with no parents to murderers and even up to the fat cat oil tycoons. not just the people mediating to forest music at their beach houses and going to ufo panels.

everyone and everything is equal and special.

~chris~

[NikolaAAA]

i agree with a lot of what you say, but some souls are just not prepared for the next density. they are still our equals, don't doubt that, the ones who ascend have just unlocked/unveiled more love and light consciously than those who don't ascend.

[viagradiscounttt]

frankly, it would not seem fair to advance a child into the next grade, if that child were not able yet to function in that grade.

perhaps it is wise to have that child, despite the embarrassment implicit, to repeat the grade, if it is in the best interests of the child.

perhaps, wisdom on the part of the teachers crosses love in some instances, as the alternative is to consign the child to an environment which unduly challenges the child to that curriculum which they can't properly follow - yet.

this is understandable, and there is no rush to enlightenment. many are still learning the lessons of having moving from second density to third, and there is no shame in being at what stage of attainment you are, wherever you are.

a true glory of becoming is that everyone's relative speed of becoming is perfectly mirrored by the creator's infinite patience. there's no need to feel rushed, in larger terms - although the present times offer an accelerated chance to make gains. not everyone is going to take advantage, but all will be availed of the fact that no one is left behind, in the creator's perfect method of making sure that although we all evolve at different rates, no relative value is placed as to who evolves quicker, or slower.

all will go through the whole panoply of experience, regardless of how fast or slow they progress. mark

[rxnixoncom]

as well, much of the material presented on this site and related to the law of one series would lean toward the concept that no one will be left upon 3d earth but a few very service-to-self types hunkered in high-tech bunkers. so, no, there is no "left behind" scenario wherein the "good" get to ascend and the "bad" have to go downstairs.

whatever is to be, it is to be for all of us. from there, wherever whenever however that is, we'll be placed based on our frequencies. so there is also not just a "this or that", but rather a continuum upon which we advance.

i believe one description was given of a staircase, and each step is brighter and fuller with the light, and one ascends as far as they can embrace the light, then they are home for their next round of education and evolution.

no one misses out, leo1123, it's all one!

see ya way up the staircase!

[Srewxardsasv]

as far as children go, not all children are simply children. no one really knows how many times they've incarnated on this sphere. but since we are veiled, it makes it more complicated and less relevant at the same time. so far, i am getting 2 messages from this genre of information. the first is, all humans on the planet will experience changes in the psyche as well as our dna. changes will be harder to accept for some people than others, but everyone will experience this. now, the other message i am getting, is that only some people will experience this change, and others are going to be left here on their own to attempt to survive and well, probably die. now, i consider myself to be an exceptionally positive person for the most part. i am failing to see the positive in this. as david said, so what if we die? it isnt so much the death part that provokes the fear, its the judgement on things most people do not have a whole lot of control over. people can sit in their comfy computer chairs and say, "oh, they have complete free will" and have never even sat foot in a 3rd world country. its a human issue. not a "some of us special people" issue. this still isnt sitting well with me.

~chris~

[reaciciomarep]

consider the people who don't immediately graduate lucky, for they will face catalyst(s) that will enrich their soul even more. i actually hope i see it all up till zero-point.

[VemyhemiHef]

frankly, it would not seem fair to advance a child into the next grade, if that child were not able yet to function in that grade.

perhaps it is wise to have that child, despite the embarrassment implicit, to repeat the grade, if it is in the best interests of the child.

perhaps, wisdom on the part of the teachers crosses love in some instances, as the alternative is to consign the child to an environment which unduly challenges the child to that curriculum which they can't properly follow - yet.

this is understandable, and there is no rush to enlightenment. many are still learning the lessons of having moving from second density to third, and there is no shame in being at what stage of attainment you are, wherever you are.

a true glory of becoming is that everyone's relative speed of becoming is perfectly mirrored by the creator's infinite patience. there's no need to feel rushed, in larger terms - although the present times offer an accelerated chance to make gains. not everyone is going to take advantage, but all will be availed of the fact that no one is left behind, in the creator's perfect method of making sure that although we all evolve at different rates, no relative value is placed as to who evolves quicker, or slower.

all will go through the whole panoply of experience, regardless of how fast or slow they progress. mark

well said!!!
the temptation to think of spiritual evolution in terms of "grades" or "levels" is indeed an easy trap to fall into. initially, i found that i had to keep a constant watch on myself to be sure that i wasn't falling into that as i began to "awaken" (i'm still "awakening", as are we all). for me, it's helpful to think in terms of different paths rather than different levels or grades. all paths are laid out on the same ground and all paths lead to the creator, but no two paths wind and bend the same way. think of a group of rivers that all end up in the same sea...none of them trace out the same line, but all come together in the same place to form one unified body. i suppose one of the great blessings we have is that sometimes our paths cross or run parallel for awhile, and we have company on our journey. when i view it in this way, it makes those who join me from time to time very precious, just as i may in some ways have a "sweet sorrow" in the longing to accompany those i may never know or meet in corporeal life.

[sesWaipunsaws]

chris, i agree with you. no one is above or below another, we walk side by side in our true, real, pure self. this conversation could not even exist if diversity did not exist. all of us are playing our part in this game of earth life, i.e., bring light (wisdom) to the surface.

led me to understand we are all special. no one is above or beneath anyone. the idea of only some people will "graduate" or whatever you want to call it does not sit well, or feel right to me.

everyone and everything deserves this. from starving children with no parents to murderers and even up to the fat cat oil tycoons. not just the people mediating to forest music at their beach houses and going to ufo panels.

everyone and everything is equal and special. ~chris~

to me, it is the simple concept of the "big bang" theory, the creation of god sparks, our selfs, our souls. we were created perfect and are perfect. these life experiences are only a actor's performance in a role played on earth. with this concept, actors will take different roles to express and experience creative opportunities ..... as their life is played out for self and everyone else.

i wonder who will have the best laugh when all these games end. graduation, making the grade, is only our human way of placing one above or below another. and who is the master that would measure us, we are our own master, measuring ourselfs. boy, some of these actors (souls) on earth, that are playing their selected roles, are doing a pretty good job getting to our emotions and allowing us to feel at many levels. i would say they are exceeding, i know, they have my heart and prayers.

expanding, does "diversity" create the conditional side of ourselfs vs acceptance which is "un-conditional" ?

[baronaaba]

ascension is a spiritual process and not a physical one, and so everyone on this planet is responsible for his/her own so called ascension. you've got to put the work in to ascend in the first place. fairness or unfairness is irrelevant. nobody is going to 'save' you, ie. collect you from 3rd density. your lifestyle must reflect the light, ie. you must live and reflect love and integrity. you must live with the conviction of this truth.

all souls are created equal and it is unwise to believe otherwise. there are a great many people on earth who by their own choices do not 'live in the light', but they too will reach the creator when they are ready. it should be elevating to the heart to know that life is eternal and in the final analysis no one is forgotten. we are all going to ascend...sooner or later.

[Dyslermergerb]

this is all there is to it. no one is making anyone do anything. if you don't go somewhere, or the next density, it is simply because you don't want to. you go to where you are comfortable. if you don't go to the 4th density then that means you are still getting your kicks right here.

the second you make the decision, an honest, truly heartfelt decision, to learn and open yourself up to raising your vibration, then it will happen for you. simple as that.

[kSmica]

i have been following this material for about a year now. about everything i have discovered on my own has led me to understand we are all special. no one is above or beneath anyone. the idea of only some people will "graduate" or whatever you want to call it does not sit well, or feel right to me. it does not in anyway sound fair, to every human on this planet, and the souls also in waiting that are not incarnated here at this time. some people say you have to meditate, etc so on and so forth. the remainder of people who don't "cut it" are basically stuck here to weather whatever disaster(s) befall the planet. sounds alot like christianity to me. this makes the idea of ascension a great golden thing for a small percentage of the population. everyone else, well, we get to start over with no memory of the life and lives we've lived on this sphere, after of course, we die. this universal standard cannot be accurate. the amount of suffering people have and will continue to endure deserves more than this. its no secret that humans have been supressed and held in the dark since as long as we can remember. everyone and everything deserves this. from starving children with no parents to murderers and even up to the fat cat oil tycoons. not just the people mediating to forest music at their beach houses and going to ufo panels.

everyone and everything is equal and special.

~chris~

something that you should be aware of is the way in which ones subconscious mind filters information before it is digested by your conscious mind. if you where taught at an early age about a man in the sky who judges and smites, then your subconscious may still be meshing it together and veiling the truth of what your are ingesting.

[sesWaipunsaws]

if you believe in reincarnation, isn't it possible that some spirits that are walking today, have already ascended in a prior lifes ?

so many people have commented that they would come back or stay to assist others. i wonder, when the masks are lifted, what truly we will see and feel of another.

ascension is a spiritual process and not a physical one, and so everyone on this planet is responsible for his/her own so called ascension. you've got to put the work in to ascend in the first place. fairness or unfairness is irrelevant. nobody is going to 'save' you, ie. collect you from 3rd density. your lifestyle must reflect the light, ie. you must live and reflect love and integrity. you must live with the conviction of this truth.

all souls are created equal and it is unwise to believe otherwise. there are a great many people on earth who by their own choices do not 'live in the light', but they too will reach the creator when they are ready. it should be elevating to the heart to know that life is eternal and in the final analysis no one is forgotten. we are all going to ascend...sooner or later.

i suspect edgar cayce ascended in this life or prior lifes and is back to finish and help his fellow brother/sister get back.... playing the mirror or other roles in life.

[XinordiX]

do you regard human/3rd density life as most valuable? is it that which defines you?

if you were to consider that you are so much more than the flesh that you embody, then you might also assume that if there is a better state of being than this that you wouldn't choose to come here. but you are here. if free will is what you have, then that's what you used when you chose to come here, to earth. that more than likely would imply that you also chose the circumstances you would face here.

those in 3rd world countries may have chosen to be in those areas of the world in order to grow, because maybe their past lives were filled with indulgence and materialistic obsession (things that distract the soul from it's loving intentions to grow). that's not necessarily the case, but it's likely to be one of them.

perhaps we even chose to be here during this time - facing a possible ascension - even if there were hard questions to answer concerning what is going on.

now that we're here, though, we can use our free will to respond to the lessons that are ever being presented to us.

we are free, it just depends on how you translate your existance.

[Fksxneng]

so far, i am getting 2 messages from this genre of information. the first is, all humans on the planet will experience changes in the psyche as well as our dna. changes will be harder to accept for some people than others, but everyone will experience this. now, the other message i am getting, is that only some people will experience this change, and others are going to be left here on their own to attempt to survive and well, probably die.

i don't know where you're getting that second message, but i don't think it's this site. either that or you are lumping the "transition into 4th density" that is happening to the entire planet with the final leap into full and natural existence within that density. all will experience the former. how you have prepared and react to it determines whether you are ready to fully enter into the latter. if you stay and die, then according to the material so far, it is because you have decided or will decide to stay and die. all will apparently have the choice to leave and go somewhere else to finish their lesson if they're not ready to start the next.

i see no contradiction in this.

[ordercigsnick]

hello,

i think there may be an assumption that everyone wants to shift... i am not sure that is absolutely true.

i found this quote over in the "service to others" post. it seemed very relavant here. it expresses better then i could have said how i think i feel about beings who "may" or "may not" choose to shift.

i would only add, that it may be when a 100th monket effect is reached suddenyly a oneness type though will go out into the conciousness field and everyone will want the same thing... i am just not attached.(btw, i did ask biild if it was ok for me to quote him for this post. here it is in its entirety.)

i haven't quite "jelled" the concept fully in my mind yet, so please forgive me if i seem vague...
i seem to remember something that either ra or seth said about our human concept of "service to others" being either flawed or incomplete. this has had me pondering ever since. if sto is more than just "doing stuff to help", then what else is there?
i think it may include something along the lines of not interfering with the path that others walk, since each path is a journey of experience and learning, each path is correct in its time and in its way for the evolution of that soul...therefore, each path and each "person" are perfect. granted, we interact and we are part of each other's journey in this state of illusory separateness and therefore we have some influence...but i think that perhaps a key point is learning to recognize when another needs to progress on their own and should not be "tampered" with; be it via ideas, material things or whatever. i think sometimes, it may be as simple as just stepping aside and allowing another to walk their path, even if it means harm, discomfort, or hardship for us personally.
aditionally, some people are not ready or are unwilling to hear "the truth". as you can't force anyone to listen, neither can you force them to learn. i find a certain kind of beauty in that...to see in another the potential for growth, and thereby, see the same in myself.

i had a 7th-grade school teacher who taught me a very valuable rule, one which has stuck with me all these years and served me very well as a guide to maintaining balance:
"my rights and freedoms end where your rights and freedoms begin. your rights and freedoms end where my rights and freedoms begin."

ps i have heard that last quote billd mentions except it went like this, "my right to punch you, ends where your nose begins."

[Srewxardsasv]

i think i've heard some very intelligent reasoning and answers on this. thank you all for your input, views and guidance.


~chris~

[Vodonaeva]

hi

this last post really resonated with me, i read it before and it puts a forgiving acceptance around the paradox we encounter here in 3d...this dimension not being one for "understanding" as ra puts it...

thankyou

[Stetbrate]

one issue i have with this post is the idea of "children." i think some of us are seeing children in a mis-guiding way. just because their body is young in this particular incarnation, does not mean that their soul is young. children, in my opinion, are almost more enlightened than adults because their minds arent "muddied" up with all the same stuff that adults minds are. they are usually very open minded and do carry over a plethera of knowledge from all their previous lives in this density and possibly others, whether that knowledge is visible or not. jesus started out as a child did he not? so have all the other beings that are here to help us through this phase. some beings are even 5th density, but must start out as a child, maybe even parent-less and starving.

anyway, my point with that is just to say that children are souls just as old as ours. it doesnt matter that the physical body they are in hasnt reached adulthood yet.

also, i do believe that interpretations of what we are going through are not to be made in such a "judgement" sort of way. if youre a person in favor of meditating or not, your soul has still been through endless "schooling" if you will. and the funny part is, if anyone is judging you, its you. only you decide if youre ready for the next density or not. and i feel that when it comes down to it, mostly everyone here will be ready. i also feel as though we are attatching some very "human" emotions to a greater, beautiful picture. when we decide on incarnating, whether it be 3rd density or 4th or whatever else, we don't have these "earth emotions" attatched like jealousy or anger or fear (of being left behind to suffer more for example). we just simply do not attatch those emotions. it will be looked at objectively. a metaphor for that would be as a referee is supposed to be to sports. you dont have an attatchment to any team, so to speak, which enables you to "make the call" and view the situation objectively, with no emotion swirling around in your head. the only difference is (despite wearing that stripey shirt, lol) is that you are your own referee.

i dont understand the idea that "well, its not sitting with me right, because it feels so christian, like, sorry some of us get to go and you other a-holes can just stay here and deal with it!" no one is being punished. no one is being evaluated (for lack of a better word) by any one but themselves, and no one is making any decisions but themselves.

the way your describing it also makes it feel as if though "god" were this seperate being from ourselves, making calls on if we should "stay in this grade, or move on." god is not some principal at a school or a parent figure. we are god. inherently a part of the beauty and energy. and this statement only further shows me that we are the only ones in charge of where we go, whether we know it or not, meditating to jungle music or not, or heck, even if we are sitting on the couch playing video games all day.

our soul does not operate on an "earthly" level like our bodies do, therfore, we cannot attatch all these "earthly" emotions to the ascention. im not saying that our souls dont feel emotions, im just saying that our souls can see much more clearly than we even have the ability to imagine. and the way you are feeling is just a product of humanity, and that is not a fault, we are here to experience that part, too. it is what it is, and you are the one making your decisions out of free will. most people are making the right decisions to get where they want to or are ready to be. whether they know it or not...

...and thats just my 50 cents.

love!
~kassandra

[freevideoandoicsI]

kassandra, loved your post. you brought all the disparate elements of this post together in one harmonious whole. i don't think anyone can argue with what you have said, the thread is finished.