[MightyMasd]

hi, wintersun.
please don't take this the wrong way, but it seems to me like perhaps you're over-thinking this whole thing. i truly believe that for all intents and purposes, we're all 3d'ers for the time being, and i don't think getting caught up in labeling is truly helpful.

granted, it may seem to help us make sense of this mad, mad world, but remember that understanding is not the purpose of this density. because of our limited perception here, when we try too much to understand how things are, we end up with a kind of "blind men and the elephant" type of scenario.

[Efonukmp]

bbb asked, "how do you determine your wandering friends polarity?

hehe.. well, those wanderers are my best friends, and i could give you some characteristics

one is a 4d, and he has all the qualities of 4d-er: he would give him self to anyone unconditionally, and would never ask anything in return. he is very poor, has no money, but he would give you his last cent. and that's the issue with him, he really doesn't wan't to say no. one time he had a serious problems with his leg, but he still came and helped me and walked a few kilometers by doing so. he never said his leg hurts, it's just that i found out when i saw he is in pain the day after. he is also highly interested in everything a common wanderer would be. we, his friends, are everything to him.

then i have three 5d-ers. both are incerdibly inteligent, wise, and very logical in nature, but both have problems with expressing their feelings to someone, and they just can't seem to find a adequate mate, cos they have too high demands, so they're always looking for a perfect special someone. also, children are out of the question hehe. it would be a miracle if they could find a descent woman, not to mention have a child. they always seem to over intelectualize everything, and feel best when they are studying something. the bigest problem, as i said, to them are relationships.

i think i'm a 6d-er, as well as my girlfriend. well, i'll just say that we both seem to be a blend of those guys i mentioned there. i won't go into detail, cos it's me i'm talking about, and i don't want you to think of me as egoistic or whatever. edit: i forgot to mention that i also know a few more 6d-ers, with similar traits. i think the strongest trait here is intuition.

and last but not the least, one of us is a very advanced 3d-er, a very old human soul. he has all the "powers" (hahahaha, just kidding) we others have, but lacks the experience and inherit wisdom, and really seems to be a little bit "behind", but he is our "child" and we watch out for him and love him very very much

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i hope this makes some sense.. now bring it on i wanna see your opinions.

okay! it makes sense to me... billybob leftbehind

[Hbkj89D2]

hi, wintersun.
please don't take this the wrong way, but it seems to me like perhaps you're over-thinking this whole thing. i truly believe that for all intents and purposes, we're all 3d'ers for the time being, and i don't think getting caught up in labeling is truly helpful.

granted, it may seem to help us make sense of this mad, mad world, but remember that understanding is not the purpose of this density. because of our limited perception here, when we try too much to understand how things are, we end up with a kind of "blind men and the elephant" type of scenario.

thanks! but look, i don't think i'm using just intellect all the time. most of my ideas come from my intuition, and a lots of times i get those weird synchronicitic sensations. the point is, i think i'm guided, and i think i feel when i'm guided. and it's just that i'm focused on a few certain areas at the moment

also, this way we could say that david w is overintelectualizing as well, but his teachings make us understand this world a little better... and if it weren't for his intellect, a very few would take him seriously.

[Hbkj89D2]

bbb asked, "how do you determine your wandering friends polarity?

hahaha, well, i'm pretty darn sure they're positive. at least they act that way hehehe.

[Hbkj89D2]

since 4th = love, 5th = light, and 6th = love + light, could it be possible for a 4th density being to "skip ahead", learn to balance love and wisdom while in 4th density, and skip to a 6th density?

maybe i don't understand the concept of 5th density right...

i mean, if we have love in 4th, do we just drop this love and turn to wisdom at 5th? how is that possible?? shouldn't this love be simply upgraded by wisdom, so that we would have love + wisdom in the 5th density?

[fount_pirat]

wisdom is the implementation of unconditional love on all levels.
in comparison, in 4d where one learns of unconditional love, but not necessarily implements it.

regards detlef

[Efonukmp]

hi, dino ...what is all this about? you'all been a guzzling some of that there croatian homebrew?:d

since 4th = love, 5th = light, and 6th = love + light, could it be possible for a 4th density being to "skip ahead", learn to balance love and wisdom while in 4th density, and skip to a 6th density?

no, of course not.

maybe i don't understand the concept of 5th density right... yes, your suspicion is quite right

i mean, if we have love in 4th, do we just drop this love and turn to wisdom at 5th? how is that possible?? shouldn't this love be simply upgraded by wisdom, so that we would have love + wisdom in the 5th density? 1)of course not .....2) your suspicion is correct, its not possible...3) yes, absolutely of course once again the correct answer is yes! dino, you have all the above answers right, so...??


cheers! billybobbutterball (havin' some fun with ya ol' buddy)

p.s. some adepts can temporarily venture into a higher dimension (such as cayce did) but they can't stay there. one doesn't casually hop skip through these densities....think of some millions of years from 6th to 7th. we are hard pressed to get from 3rd to 4th in a lousy 75 thousand years... and the dreary fact is that most earthlings are not going to make it this time around!!! keep in mind that there is a near infinity of graduations within each density. they have to be worked through...no cheating! from llresearch the entity we know of as jesus is plugging away in the 5th. in his sojurn on earth he came from the upper 4th...too often supreme love without wisdom is a recipe for martyrdom.

[Hbkj89D2]

ok, i think you didn't get my point billy

i only oversimplified the question, hoping you'd give me the answer i'm looking for. so let me try this way: if we have love and light in the 5th density, then what is 6th density all about? let me give it a try:

4th = love
5th = love + wisdom
6th = (love + wisdom) perfected

is this how it is?

also, are we still as "loving" in 5th density as we were in 4th, or is this "loving" part a little bit suppressed with all this "vulcan" logic and wisdom?

[StitsVobsaith]

since 4th = love, 5th = light, and 6th = love + light, could it be possible for a 4th density being to "skip ahead", learn to balance love and wisdom while in 4th density, and skip to a 6th density?

maybe i don't understand the concept of 5th density right...

i mean, if we have love in 4th, do we just drop this love and turn to wisdom at 5th? how is that possible?? shouldn't this love be simply upgraded by wisdom, so that we would have love + wisdom in the 5th density?

ehh. . . you have a bit of an oversimplification there. love and light exist in all densities. the lessons of 4d are primarily concerned with love, while the lessons of 5d are primarily concerned with light. 6d lessons involve the harmonious balancing of the two.

one need not master all the lessons of a particular density before moving to the next. mastery of all lessons is not achieved until the end of 7d, at which time this is demonstrated by the creation/offering of the higher self.

hence you have the case of 6d wanderers who, on the one hand are sort of advanced teachers here in 3d, while on the other hand are here for remediation of lessons passed over on the way to 6d. they often exhibit a type of spiritual idiot-savantry.

one type is the wanderer who is extremely bright, yet rather socially inept and struggles with making personal connections to others for the benefit of relationship. this type often needs to recapitulate the lesson of ignorance as wisdom.

another type is the wanderer who is extremely loving, yet prone to codependence, and struggles with making a separation from others for the benefit of self. this type often needs to recapitulate the lesson of love as folly.

[Efonukmp]

ok, i think you didn't get my point billy

i only oversimplified the question, hoping you'd give me the answer i'm looking for. so let me try this way: if we have love and light in the 5th density, then what is 6th density all about? let me give it a try:

4th = love
5th = love + wisdom
6th = (love + wisdom) perfected

is this how it is?

also, are we still as "loving" in 5th density as we were in 4th, or is this "loving" part a little bit suppressed with all this "vulcan" logic and wisdom?

okay. i'm over my head but i'll try.

from the ra:

first, the cycle of awareness;

second, the cycle of growth;

third, the cycle of self-awareness;

fourth, the cycle of love or understanding; (empathy?)

fifth, the cycle of light (knowledge?) or wisdom; (intellect?)

sixth, the cycle of light/love, love/light or unity; (balance?)

seventh, the gateway cycle;

eighth, the octave which moves into a mystery we do not plumb.

love is the foundation... wisdom without love is like a tail without a puppy dog. lucifer supposedly has knowledge/intellect sans love (of course the term, "love" stands for a quality that we cannot grasp...it means a super strong concentrated intention strong enough to hold the universe together like a cosmic glue. love doesn't take -- it supports unconditionally.)

the positive 4th is characterized by a positive but naive orientation of love. however in going up the scale things change in a surprising way. the ra in the 6th is virtually without a particular distinction of polarity...this aspect is (as i understand it) in perfect balance. that does not mean that love has departed or become weaker in its quantity or quality...one might say that the ra's "love" is a perfectly balanced powerful force without distinctive wrinkles or warts to catch one's attention.

i hope i have the above half way right...but i'm not going to stand on a hill and die for it as a doctrine

would some loo scholar come help us out here? show a little love??

stong intentions, etc. bill g aka bbb

[Hbkj89D2]

thank you all for trying to shed some light here

i actually know a few 5d wanderers (as well as 4d and 6d), and what i noticed is that they (5d) seem to have some dificulity with expressing emotions. so i wonder, where did all this big 4d love expressing go?

here's my guess... when you are done with 4d, you realize that you were giving too much, and therefore weren't really giving enough to yourself. then, as you enter 5d, you try to fix this with adding wisdom. but, what happens is that you still don't really know how to balance it right, so you end up overintelectualizing everything with wisdom, including love.

once you start to balance that back, you are going for a 6d. so as a 6d you end up as a balanced combination on love and wisdom.

what do you think?

[AgowlSown]

hi wintersun... i think one reason this is difficult to parse out is that you're looking at 4/5/6d wandrers and what they are experiencing now in 3d earth human form which is going to be real different than what you experience when you are actually living in those higher densities.

so i might be a 6d wanderer (or whatever...i don't really know) who decided that in order to help people the best, i would "play the karma game" and in absolving the karma, be better able to help others absolve theirs. knowing it was a game i could "win" i dove right in, but an outside observer might look at an isolated moment and see that i wasn't being very loving at that time. that just means that in that moment i was playing out an experience of victimization/tyranny, etc regardless of whatever density i "came from" before coming to earth.

also, one possible reason your 5d wanderer friends have trouble expressing emotions is self-protection due to emotional traumas they haven't fully healed within themselves.

best,
cameron

[Efonukmp]

thank you all for trying to shed some light here

i actually know a few 5d wanderers (as well as 4d and 6d), and what i noticed is that they (5d) seem to have some dificulity with expressing emotions. so i wonder, where did all this big 4d love expressing go?

what do i think? i'll hide behind this pearl of wisdom: "understanding is not of this density".

i'm curious, just how do you determine if someone is a "wanderer" much less their original density status? hey! plain old 3-der's can blandish some pretty impressive qualities and accomplishments.

a side note: according to llresearch material 4-d positive wanderer's are pretty few and far between; 4-d negs are virtually absent.

i'm going to rest up and contemplate such mysteries for awhile.

billybobbingout

[Hbkj89D2]

hehe.. well, those wanderers are my best friends, and i could give you some characteristics

one is a 4d, and he has all the qualities of 4d-er: he would give him self to anyone unconditionally, and would never ask anything in return. he is very poor, has no money, but he would give you his last cent. and that's the issue with him, he really doesn't wan't to say no. one time he had a serious problems with his leg, but he still came and helped me and walked a few kilometers by doing so. he never said his leg hurts, it's just that i found out when i saw he is in pain the day after. he is also highly interested in everything a common wanderer would be. we, his friends, are everything to him.

then i have three 5d-ers. both are incerdibly inteligent, wise, and very logical in nature, but both have problems with expressing their feelings to someone, and they just can't seem to find a adequate mate, cos they have too high demands, so they're always looking for a perfect special someone. also, children are out of the question hehe. it would be a miracle if they could find a descent woman, not to mention have a child. they always seem to over intelectualize everything, and feel best when they are studying something. the bigest problem, as i said, to them are relationships.

i think i'm a 6d-er, as well as my girlfriend. well, i'll just say that we both seem to be a blend of those guys i mentioned there. i won't go into detail, cos it's me i'm talking about, and i don't want you to think of me as egoistic or whatever. edit: i forgot to mention that i also know a few more 6d-ers, with similar traits. i think the strongest trait here is intuition.

and last but not the least, one of us is a very advanced 3d-er, a very old human soul. he has all the "powers" (hahahaha, just kidding) we others have, but lacks the experience and inherit wisdom, and really seems to be a little bit "behind", but he is our "child" and we watch out for him and love him very very much

also i can intuitively tell how old is somebodies soul, as well as tell whos personality is
like without knowing the person.

all this i confirmed with a friend chaneller who has almost the same philosophy and teachings as loo, and she confirmed (via chanelling) that david wilcock can be trusted, and she really never heard of him, and never red the loo (there's no croatian version, and she is older and doesn't speak english), but as i talked to her about the loo, she was very excited about it, cos all she was saying was already there.

i hope this makes some sense.. now bring it on i wanna see your opinions.

[Hbkj89D2]

hi wintersun... i think one reason this is difficult to parse out is that you're looking at 4/5/6d wandrers and what they are experiencing now in 3d earth human form which is going to be real different than what you experience when you are actually living in those higher densities.

so i might be a 6d wanderer (or whatever...i don't really know) who decided that in order to help people the best, i would "play the karma game" and in absolving the karma, be better able to help others absolve theirs. knowing it was a game i could "win" i dove right in, but an outside observer might look at an isolated moment and see that i wasn't being very loving at that time. that just means that in that moment i was playing out an experience of victimization/tyranny, etc regardless of whatever density i "came from" before coming to earth.

also, one possible reason your 5d wanderer friends have trouble expressing emotions is self-protection due to emotional traumas they haven't fully healed within themselves.

best,
cameron

yeah, good points there! however, i believe that, since this is on a soul level, that you can really find some special unique traits if you know where to look for them.

and i know that some might say this is all irrelevant. i mean, what is relevant here?? and i also have a great need to carry on those teachings, and it's only natural that i have my own theories. so far i think i'm onto something. a few more proofs to all this we believe in wouldn't really hurt.