[TaxSheemaSter]

so, if time is an illusion and only a property of this 3d realm then that means that everything that ever has happened and ever will happen is in truth all happening at once.

sooo, that means that all of our "travels" and growth from one density to the next is also only an illusion. and in fact, the whole cycle in which we start off in first density and grow until we enter the divine 9th density already exists in the one divine moment, which is the present.

so we are all already all the densities at once? our movement and growth is just an illusion? right?

so we are all of the infinite density!!! we are all divine already!!

am i overlooking something here?

[Vzkdgdqx]

no, you are not overlooking anything. simple as 1 and 1 is one.

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[joOEMcheapSOFTWARE]

so, if time is an illusion and only a property of this 3d realm then that means that everything that ever has happened and ever will happen is in truth all happening at once.

sooo, that means that all of our "travels" and growth from one density to the next is also only an illusion. and in fact, the whole cycle in which we start off in first density and grow until we enter the divine 9th density already exists in the one divine moment, which is the present.

so we are all already all the densities at once? our movement and growth is just an illusion? right?

so we are all of the infinite density!!! we are all divine already!!

am i overlooking something here?

i dont think that you overlooked anything, but it might help to see it from a different angle. remember that there is always the relative and the absolute. sure, from the absolute or creator's point of view, everything happens at once and all of this is an illusion and you are all things at all times in all places. from a relative or human point of view, you are "you", tied down to a local body that must adhere to the effects of time while in this density. if i were to throw a rock at you then, from the creators point of view, it would be an illusion throwing an illusion at an illusion in timelessness....but if you just say "its an illusion" and choose not to dodge, then me and that rock are going to be catalyst for you...

the only real difference between the relative and the absolute is one of degree. eventually, even that will change as you make your way up through the densities and switch from knowing to realizing (knowing is knowledge of the mind-realizing is knowledge of the heart).

be well,
kensanwa

[kilibry]

i don't think so. sounds like you've got it down pretty well.
is this something you're having difficulty with or did you just want general clarification?

[glopomcyte]

i think that the definition of 'illusion' needs to be explored as the word illusion implies that there is something there but we can't see the truth.

if time is an illusion then what is it hiding?

time isn't a hallucination but a distortion of something that actually exists.

if time is related to mass (time appears to speed up to objects the closer they get to the mass of a black hole etc) then what is mass?

if energy is mass times the speed of light squared what exactly is energy?

man, this is a total rabbit hole!

[TaxSheemaSter]

basically, why i am bringing this up is because there is a nice revelation of equality that is dawning on me. i never liked the feeling of myself or other people picking over who is a 4th density wanderer or who is 5th, 6th or whatever. when really, we are all already equally divine. we are all already who we always were and who we will always be. in fact i think it may be a little counter productive to be picking too much over the densities. we all chose to experience this illusion for whatever reason.

like in the "standing at the gate of heaven" thread by litlady, where her mother had visions that the information contained in the sphinx is under the left paw. well there are many different similar theories that have come up from people that were under similar circumstances as her mother. but couldn't they all be right? couldn't people be drawing there information from one of the infinite other parallel universes where what they said was absolutely right?

it all is just adding up to a beautiful feeling of equality amongst all of us. everything is exactly the way you are thinking it. if not in this universe then in one of the infinite parallel universes.

we are all right! we are all divine!

thank you and love to all.

[Creva4k]

i think it's important to understand the utility of time in the creator's experience of itself. it is time that really allows for the separation of the creator into individuated segments. without time, you cannot have a "growing towards the creator" - neither a starting point seemingly apart nor and ending point at oneness.

[lopaayd]

this is what makes me wonder if our future selves are helping our past incarnations reach god in new ways.
almost like we are trying out all the branches of possiblity to fully experience it all.

[TaxSheemaSter]

i think that the definition of 'illusion' needs to be explored as the word illusion implies that there is something there but we can't see the truth.

if time is an illusion then what is it hiding?

time isn't a hallucination but a distortion of something that actually exists.

if time is related to mass (time appears to speed up to objects the closer they get to the mass of a black hole etc) then what is mass?

if energy is mass times the speed of light squared what exactly is energy?

man, this is a total rabbit hole!

ha ha! i know. it makes my mind crash and throw up the "blue screen of death" like my old computer.

yeah, jeremy, without time there is no space or any movement within space. because that would mean there was an amount of time to travel from point a to point b. so there would be no movement from density a to density b either.

:d

[fount_pirat]

so, if time is an illusion and only a property of this 3d realm then that means that everything that ever has happened and ever will happen is in truth all happening at once.

sooo, that means that all of our "travels" and growth from one density to the next is also only an illusion. and in fact, the whole cycle in which we start off in first density and grow until we enter the divine 9th density already exists in the one divine moment, which is the present.

so we are all already all the densities at once? our movement and growth is just an illusion? right?

so we are all of the infinite density!!! we are all divine already!!

am i overlooking something here?

first i like to say, an illusion can only perceived as an illusion if we step outside the reality where the illusionary event occurred.
from this point i would say, as long we in this reality linear time is very real.
time simply relates to consciousness, as consciousness changes time, or the way we perceive passing events, will change. one thing is clear, as most on this planet move into the next vibrational level, events still will pass. we most likely will perceive it differently, since our consciousness took a great leap. it will take humans some "time" to come to terms with the changes.
i don't belief humans will give up their clocks an calenders that easily, but will find, they are not working as they used to. and in "time" will have to find other methods to measure the flow of events.

regards detlef

much more can be said in regards of being divine or not. we are part of the one, but we are not the one. so, are we all what the one is?
the one is certainly all that we are. this argument reminds me a lot of a mouse trying to catch it's tail.
i had this discussions with my divine self, in an attempt to understand myself.
from this i understand now, i am part of my total self, i am not my total self, as long as i am within this reality, and even when i move back to where i was before this life time, i am still only a part of my total self.

regards

[Alex]

questioner: thank you very much.in previous material before we communicated with you it was stated by the confederation that there is actually no past or future... that all is present. would this be a good analogy?

ra: i am ra. there is past, present and future in third density. on an overview that an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present.we, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. at the seventh level we shall, if our humble efforts etc etc etc

the ra material, book 1, page 153, question 2

this is something that even ra has not come to grasp fully, therefor we do have a past, present and future. it is the multiplicity of an infinite nature that allows for future selves, but they are not us. only possibility/probablities of what can occur. hope this helps

continue spiraling ever upwards,
austin

[TaxSheemaSter]

thanks a lot. that was very helpful. especially to hear ra's answer to the same question. the journey will continue, i suppose. until further notice.