[enrisaabsotte]

hello everyone, first time poster long time reader here. i love what you guys do, your guys positive attitude is very uplifting.

i seem to have trouble helping people learn the truly great lessons of life though. i know that you should just lead by example, but how do people come to the realization that love truly is the answer? only those who truly want to love will love.

there will still be war, hate, and negative events and emotions around the world no matter what i do to reverse that effect. people don't seem to realize that a peaceful and loving mind is the next step of evolution (at least for an sto individual). i'm pretty sure that out of most 3rd density planets earth is a cess pool of hate because the way we have it set up, the most selfish people have the most power.

how do i take down the people in power through love? they have defense mechanisms set up that they have been setting up for the past few millenia to protect themselves and their negative controlling/manipulative power.

we are a minority ("we" being people that truly realize a loving planet is the best choice) that lives in a world that doesn't tolerate us but we have to tolerate them. when trying to help the masses realize their ignorance, intolerance, disrespect, and unloving nature is not the right way to go they just test me, tell me i'm wrong, and annoy me in whatever way until i have to snap and become one of 'them' and act animalistic to protect myself and my stance. once i snap they never forget that i did that one time and hold it against me and i'm just a hypocrite.

i intend on patenting my invention then licensing it to different companies and if i make enough money i want to make a little community somewhere remote and just only invite people like you to come and go freely, if i do that though then people will just think i'm a cult leader or something outrageous like that haha.

i know it's taught that the best way to exist in a lifestyle that we live is to keep down low, but i want to make a positive impact on the global scale to make everyone realize the true power of love. i'm confused at what to do, how do i reverse the negative effects of centuries in a short period of time in a loving manner?

[snislarne]

its great that you have a road map set out ahead of you, a plan of "attack".

personally i think starting a community sounds like a great idea, and i've looked into a few websites that offer buy-ins into federally granted land, but boy is it expensive, prohibitively so.

wanting to affect change on a world scale is one hell of an aspiration. i just read an excerpt on the llresearch page regarding this line of thought, and put it more into perspective for me. if you ever feel helpless or overwhelmed by the scale on which you would like to work remember that regardless if you affect 1 or 1,000,000 peoples lives, either is seen as great and its the effort that counts.

glad to talk to you, i'm new to this site as well and love to see the influx of new members.

[Creva4k]

when trying to help the masses realize their ignorance, intolerance, disrespect, and unloving nature is not the right way to go they just test me, tell me i'm wrong, and annoy me in whatever way until i have to snap and become one of 'them' and act animalistic to protect myself and my stance. one very, very important point ra talks about is that it is impossible to help another entity. another opens up to a new configuration and thereby helps themselves, but free will means that another individual will always be the gatekeeper.

ra also advises one to "forget the counting" and not focus on big, obvious changes. reaching one person at a time is just as powerful in a unified creation as reaching the world.

in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with defending yourself, but reflect on whether you're provoking these annoyances. if you're trying to enlighten people who don't want it, you might want to reconsider this approach. i've found that the best way to reach people is individually by listening, and waiting for them to ask a question or express some problem they cannot solve. it takes patience and - to a certain extent - the sublimation of the ego, but it's good practice.

[rXpX]

consciousnessisdivine, welcome, as you said, this group that gathers to learn, exchange and express their ideas and thoughts, is somewhat unique and unmatched in other sites. i also, truly love the energy here. we are breathing together.

one of the subjects talked about several times, is "free will". each of us have been given the opportunity of life and the free will in life. we can choose to do "thy will" in our day to day activities, but this usually comes when the person is ready to release, and give to, rather than take from the whole.

alot of it is patience, being in the world, not part of the world (in the game). somewhere in our life span, we agreed or shifted towards a world that "games" became more exciting than being "real" in our life . i.e., really seeing, feeling, wanting to know about "all that is" on a personal level. my feelings, we got bored or needed and created the lessons of good/bad to continue to grow, but thru these experiences, we allow it to get out of hand and we became lost in the game. now many are awake or awakening and questioning the whole thing, which is complex.... to get back to who we truly are, which is love. love in form and that can talk, see and give hugs.

anyway, when i have been faced with opportunities to expand one's way of thinking or direction they are moving towards, i ask them rather than tell them:

what would god do?
what would god say?
how would god handle this?

believe me, it stops many and they then examine their own actions, words or thoughts and usually take some time to make the next move in the game of life. the games stops just for a moment, but in that moment, much is considered and the seed is planted.

the "thy will" in each of us comes forward and offers options to the "free will".

[StitsVobsaith]

hi cd, and welcome. some thoughts. . .

i seem to have trouble helping people learn the truly great lessons of life though. i know that you should just lead by example, but how do people come to the realization that love truly is the answer? only those who truly want to love will love.

the best thing you can do to help others move forward is to move forward yourself, thus creating a space for somebody else.

contrary to pop-spiritualism, love is not the final answer. many get stuck in this trying to love, love, love all the time, and then feel like a failure when they fall short. this is a trap.

there are many lessons of love to be mastered, and i do not in any form claim to be a master of love. :d however, i will say, that some of these lessons involve appropriate expression of love, codependence masking as love, loving yourself as a means of serving others, discerning spiritual from personal love, and love as folly.

these lessons of love are the part of the 4d curriculum, and as i'm sure you are aware, there are many levels beyond this. also be aware that you need not master all of the lessons of one density to graduate your consciousness to the next. it would appear that mastery of all 4d lessons is not required until graduation to 9d, and i'm quite confident there are very few of us that need be concerned with this right now.

the last lesson i mentioned "love as folly" dovetails directly into 5d lessons which are concerned primarily with wisdom. it would also appear that souls that attempt to tackle this lesson before having a strong footing in the others are most prone to being sidetracked into the negative path. nevertheless, it is important to recognize that pouring love into a leaky cup will not result in a refreshing beverage that can be shared amongst your fellows, but in a mess upon the ground which somebody has to clean up. . . and if you were the one doing the pouring, you are likely to be the one doing the cleaning. in this respect, to not "cast your pearls before swine" means having enough spiritual discernment to recognize that some people are simply not ready for love. they either do not recognize it for what it is, or do not know what to do with it once it is received.

the early 6d curriculum involves an intelligent blending of love and wisdom into compassion. this includes the understanding that sometimes the most loving thing to do is to stand back and allow another to stumble and fall and scrape their knees on the ground so that the scar that is formed will serve as a reminder of what happens when you are not looking where you are going. many of those of 6d consciousness who are closely connected with the evolution of life on this planet at this time are those who have seen the fallout of a grand outpouring of love with a disregard for the wisdom of proper portioning and timing. as a result, they find themselves still here some 13,000-ish years later still cleaning up the mess on the floor.

do not underestimate the power of the "six degrees of separation" rule. focusing your efforts of the spiritual upliftment of the few who can best appreciate the gifts you have to bestow is often times the best way to contribute to the upliftment of humanity as a whole. even a single well-placed word of encouragement to a friend can ripple out in ways that you could not possibly imagine.

you are not being a hypocrite by being a supporter of love, even if you do not behave in loving ways 100% of the time. does a professional housecleaner need to maintain a spotless home in order to be of service in their work? give yourself a break. sounds like you are doing just fine to me!

best regards,

tenet

[aideriimibion]

how do i take down the people in power through love? they have defense mechanisms set up that they have been setting up for the past few millenia to protect themselves and their negative controlling/manipulative power. you can not take the people in power down through love. the best way to help the planet is to help yourself and become the best person you can be. this will allow your positive energy to aid the planet and all beings as we are part of a mass consciousness. transcendental meditation is powerful. read up on the maharishieffect where 7,000 people meditated together for the peace of the planet and this resulted in a decrease of negative trends throughout society—such as crime, accidents, and sickness —and an increase in positive social, economic, and political trends. this goes to prove that individual consciousness has an effect on the collective consciousness. if you are interested we have a group that includes thousands. 9:00p.m and 9:00a.m eastern time. check it out: http://llresearch.org/gaia.aspx

we are a minority ("we" being people that truly realize a loving planet is the best choice) that lives in a world that doesn't tolerate us but we have to tolerate them. when trying to help the masses realize their ignorance, intolerance, disrespect, and unloving nature is not the right way to go they just test me, tell me i'm wrong, and annoy me in whatever way until i have to snap and become one of 'them' and act animalistic to protect myself and my stance. once i snap they never forget that i did that one time and hold it against me and i'm just a hypocrite.
if you snap on them you are losing polarity and allowing your vital energies to leak out which then gets absorbed by the entity which is aruguing with you. when someone gets annoying send them all the love and light possible and you will see wonders. walk away from conflict. if you allow yourself to get caught up in the drama you are being the same as them. let your light shine.

i intend on patenting my invention then licensing it to different companies and if i make enough money i want to make a little community somewhere remote and just only invite people like you to come and go freely, if i do that though then people will just think i'm a cult leader or something outrageous like that haha. separation is not the answer. trust me sometimes i feel like leaving somewhere very far but i know i am here for a reason. we are here to shine the light and the love of the one infinite creator and help mother earth birth 4th density, the new way of life. you chose to come here, you volunteered to come here out of all the places in the universe you could have been. i have compassion for those beings that are ignorant and do not choose love. i came here to shine my light and love on them.

i know it's taught that the best way to exist in a lifestyle that we live is to keep down low, but i want to make a positive impact on the global scale to make everyone realize the true power of love. i'm confused at what to do, how do i reverse the negative effects of centuries in a short period of time in a loving manner? you can not make anyone realize the true power of love. you can not make anyone realize anything.its impossible. people realize on their own. the best thing you can do is work on yourself, improve yourself and as you do this you will improve the world. you can not reverse the negative but with your positive thoughts and energy contribute to the mass consciousness.
i see your good intentions,they are so kind. best wishes.
light and love,
jady

[xanaxnewtrader]

i have to agree with canaan, about the number of people you help. we're all the same space dust, we're all connected. like blood cells in a vein, each one of us make up the river. helping one is helping the entire system. helping the entire system directly is most likely not the wisest thing for an individual to do. unless you're prepared and capable to reap the "benefits" of such a lifestyle. you may try to open a nation to love and respect, and get shot down in your mid 40's. your efforts might have brought a lot of people together, but those people's families and children will make their own decisions on how they "feel" about others, regardless of how much of an impact you made to direct listeners. add time to the mix, and it may or may not change much...and even then, that's just the surface. the ramifications of changing one person's life for the better seems to be just as effective as trying to "lead the people". one spark of change in a persons' life can lead them down a road where they become a part of a huge uprising of free energy, just as easily as a huge change in society can get forgotten and it's ideals shrouded in debates over the death of it's former messenger.

love, learn, and ask for guidance...you'll definitely end up where you want to be.

[pIp83Uns]

how do i take down the people in power through love?

i don't think you need to, or rather, you'll make more progress towards more peace and harmony by concentrating on the people you already love and loving those who cross your path.

love isn't a weapon, you can't use love to fight something but you can make that something less strong by loving things.

the mot effective weapon the 'bad guys' have against us is their ability to make us think in their terms. fighting, "taking down", winning and losing, fear and pride etc.

as soon as you don't waste time trying to figure out who's 'good or bad' you can spend more time on just loving whomever is there and being productive rather than reacting to whatever 'they' are doing.

[poispanna]

"be the change that you want to see."
- mahatma gandhi

simple, yes?

what "most" people are like or are doing is of little interest to me. what is of immense interest is what i am like and what i am doing. my thoughts and subsequent actions show this to me quite clearly. i hope i don't sound self-important here, but i do see the effects of positivity in daily life. in one day i counted at least ten "strangers" on the street, in the store, etc. smiling at me, with some actually waving like we had known each other for years. where i work i often see people walking their dogs, many of whom will pull on their leashes to try to greet me, sometimes to the surprise of their humans. my point is that if you're not seeing comparable things in your life, it's not that you're doing something wrong; but perhaps there are inner things to be balanced. i don't want to be anyone's judge. it's a full-time job trying to stop doing the same to myself.

i sometimes have discussions with people who express things like the following: "everybody is so such-and-such." "no one gets it." "why can't everybody just such-and-such?"

i too will sometimes think such thoughts and/or make such statements. the fact of the matter is that what i am seeing is a mirrored projection of my self and my inner workings. my positive focus combined with your positive focus, combined with her positive focus, combined with his positive focus ad infinitum does have a real effect on the way things are manifesting. even just little ole me holding positive prayerful thoughts and intent helps raise the overall vibration of the planet.

to keep an overall positive, loving, joyful, hopeful for the present and the future mindset is work. from my understanding of the law of one, the purpose of 3rd density is to learn how to love. one can of course take the seemingly opposite, service-to-self, path and choose to be of negative bent, which is still loving -- loving of one's self with little or no consideration of other selves' well-being --except whereby the other selves are helping one gain power. by no means is my study and understanding of the ra material comprehensive. those new to this forum would be well-advised to look to others here more experienced for their unique perspectives.

do most people think i'm a pretty nice guy? yes. do i sometimes freak out, screaming and shouting, acting somewhat out of control? yes. do i despair for myself and others on earth? no. am i concerned for myself and others' well-being? yes. i write these questions to help illustrate that perfection is not required to be a positive person. in my humble opinion, david wilcock's material and the material he draws from are extremely helpful in gaining perspective on the state of the planet and where/what we apparently are heading towards.

namaste,
doug

[pIp83Uns]

"be the change that you want to see."
- mahatma gandhi
my positive focus combined with your positive focus, combined with her positive focus, combined with his positive focus ad infinitum does have a real effect on the way things are manifesting. even just little ole me holding positive prayerful thoughts and intent helps raise the overall vibration of the planet.

exactly! well put my friend.

working against something is not as effective as working towards something, so if the goal is a more positive world then be more positive.

it's really that simple. you can't hide in a bunker hating the 'bad guys' as hating is hating regardless of what team you think you're on.

here's an example of two people with similar information but different perspectives, one positive, one negative.

david wilcock has been a guest on coast to coast am several times and on that show there is another frequent guest, a guy who has his own radio talk show and has gained notoriety by 'exposing' the illuminati (bilderburgers, new world order-ites and bohemian grove pseudo-occultists etc) many of the same topics david himself discusses, but there is a huge difference.

while david explains that knowledge is power, actions are what matters, be informed about the bad guys but don't stop being positive.

david is using his time productively, making his movie, making plans to record more music, inspiring people with his message etc, and even if it is all some kind of delusion (as skeptics might say) the net result is a more harmonious world, i know i am a more positive person now that i have a logical explanation of reality. (something i spent years and years looking for).

but the guy with the radio show is constantly upset, exasperated and incredulous at how 'evil' the bad guys are and it appears to be creating a group of listeners who are either ready to take arms and overthrow the evil ones or hide in their bunkers with 50 tons of dried beans and shoot strangers who get too close, or simply accept that things are hopeless and the bad guys are too powerful and just hope that they won't be taken first when the flesh eating nwo army takes over the world.

i had to stop listening to that show and deleted my account on their social network because people were so hopped up on the fear and rage that as orwell wrote in 'animal farm' you couldn't tell who were the pigs and who were the farmers.

[enrisaabsotte]

thanks guys, very good information you have given me.

some questions that i have now, if we aren't meant to be separate from the selfish then why are the sto beings separate from sts beings? maybe there should be a community set up as a sort of half-way point between 3rd density and 4th density, spend half the year there and the other half in our original birthplaces, sort of like how camp david is for the president of the united states.

another question is, there are 3rd density beings that their entire planet is set up to be love oriented toward others. an example would be the beings that were mentioned in the law of one series that evolved from trees and kidnapped some human to get a better understanding of war. i'm sorry if i'm awful with the details but someone else should remember, i'm pretty sure it was law of one series, it might be part of the cassieopiean transcripts as well (but those are much more unreliable for truth than ra). how can we get earth to that level?

thanks guys, i'll be back later tonight to get the answers, i'm kind of busy right now i just wanted to check up on how things were coming along here see you guys later. (i would say love and light but that would be so cliche haha jk ) love and light everyone!

[pIp83Uns]

i would say that things are both more complicated and simpler than they might seem.

complicated in that there is no way that you can tell what is 'right' and 'wrong' for everyone so you can't see the big picture and simpler in that things are less random than you might think.

david wilcock has explained that we're not just randomly created beings who win or lose based on some arbitrary system of morality but rather we're free to explore with our free will within a pre-arranged set of parameters.

perhaps this visualization exercise might help clarify the point.
if everything went the way you wanted it to what would you be doing tomorrow and the months and years following? imagine the most extreme parameters, winning the lottery, marrying the girl of your dreams etc but keep it within the realm of possibility.

know yourself, if you don't like to speak in public then being president/dictator etc is probably not an option for you no matter what happens as life isn't like that movie king ralph where some regular joe has royalty thrust upon him.

know yourself, if you like to draw then it is definitely possible that you could become a famous artist or at least a successful one, you could be the most famous artist ever! it's possible, not probable, but possible.

[StitsVobsaith]

contrary to pop-spiritualism, love is not the final answer. many get stuck in this trying to love, love, love all the time, and then feel like a failure when they fall short. this is a trap.

i would like to make an amend to this portion of my previous response. i've been struggling all day which trying to come up with a better way to say this.

perhaps it would be more accurate to say that love is not the whole answer; there are other things to be taken into consideration. a balanced viewpoint considers not only what is loving, but what is also wise.

this comes up most frequently in cases of abuse and addiction. however, in this particular response i was speaking of your average person who strives to be more loving, but can get swept up into self-condemnation when feeling like they aren't living up to their own extremely high standards.

often times i find it preferable to simply admit to myself that i am not feeling particularly loving, and to limit my contact with others until i experience a shift in my awareness. for me, this occurs on a regular basis, and i don't consider it to be due to some lack on my part. i consider it to be resultant from the fact that many others in this space/time do not display those characteristics which i would find particularly endearing.

as for

maybe there should be a community set up as a sort of half-way point between 3rd density and 4th density

welcome to planet earth, year 2008 a.d.

[lopaayd]

i'd say the big trick when it comes to loving is knowing when to have boundries. knowing when to stop being tolerant and stand up to someone.

you can yell at someone with love, to protect them and yourself from their actions.

i had a very hard time with this, and would let people do whatever they wanted because i wanted to be tolerant and loving. i've learned that people are sometimes better off if you push back on their behaviors, as a way of guiding them toward better self care.

you don't have to stop the murder because you hate him, you can simply protect him from the negative effect of his actions.

it seems like this is one of the lessons i asked to learn, because the person who taught me it was my mother.

[rostpribru]

the very idea that people want a world of love and joy & happiness will make it happen. i know we are entering into a new age. the old system will dissolve & go away! the old monetary system of greed & hatred is going away! there is a restaurant in denver colorado that serves fresh gourmet home cooked meals, if you can pay great! if not that's ok! it is the first of its kind. donate when & if you can! and its thriving! people caring about people is profitable despite the old negative greedy money profiteering system! people check out this article from the denver post & jump for joy! we are seeing the new age begin!

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4938875

its like file sharing, movies, games, comic books, the entertainment industry, hollywood has demonized people that simply want to share with one another. they call it stealing, we know it is really sharing and caring! even so, how much profit does hollywood really need? in 2007 they made record profits. the new world will not be run by greed! we will care about one another in a real way, with real love! people come before profits.
take the health care system in the united states. many people cannot afford health care insurance and suffer greatly. in canada they've done away with the old system and have universal health care, no one is turned away! the us needs to follow suite. its evil to deny health care to people who need it. in the coming new age peole will care about people in a real way! just around the corner.