[vvxtiopmx]

spiritual crisis, please be caring


do people really believe that there are no victims in this "cosmic dance"?

if a person has had a horrible life, for example living in poverty and being raped, molested, physically and mentally tortured daily by family and strangers and was never allowed to live and be a person and experience love and joy, and who was ignored and destroyed by authorities who should be there to help... and that poor innocent person walking to a bus stop is finally attcked one last time bludgeoned to death and finally put out of their suffering? how can that person not be a victim if they had a horrible life and never experienced love and therefore cannot comprehend that love exists or what it feels like?

should i believe that each person with a tortured life is really just a piece of "the creator" just experiencing itself in a "hell-on-earth-life" scenario??


my point is that there are really people experiencing the not-so-average earthly problems but including full lives of emotional, physical, and mental torture to the point that they cannot function.

i cannot understand why the creator would want to collect experiences/consciousness of lives of hell... or how he could allow humans to be starved and murdered. and i mean this literally, how could he allow "the fall" into density/duality/polarity which included altered dna?

okay so life isnt a piece of cake for everyone, but millions billions of people (past & present) have lived tortured lives so much that they have to take their own lives and it doesnt seem like anything should ever be so horrible for people to want to die, but it is.

and if someone with a tortured life, and had to commit suicide to escape daily torture, would that person be condemned to the lower astral realm (hellish realm) because at the time of their death they had anger and hate?? are they only getting what they deserve due to karmic debt

i cannot understand the depths of evil, misery, torture, suffering

[rorsvierwelia]

i totally understand what you are saying, and how it feels.

to me you have two choices:
assume that events in this life are the result of chance. this collection of chance events piles up for these poor people and leads to this horrid life you describe. random outcomes lead to an unfair existence, this unfair existence clearly disproves the existence of a loving god. really a random universe is about the worst possible outcome i can imagine.
or
there are no random events, a loving god wouldn’t allow for that. all experiences in this live can be traced to some cause created by the individual in the “past”. which is a nice way of saying everyone gets what they have caused for themselves all the time. these experiences are horrible because of some past cause that led to the individual’s current pain.

you do have a third option, a middle way:
to conjecture on this subject is clearly causing you undue pain, and it’s likely that no collection of words or thoughts will resolve this issue for you presently. these kinds of questions (if handled the wrong way) will vex your mind, cause you pain, and slow your growth. perhaps your anguish is a sign that you should stop seeking answers for a while and start experiencing the very present moment. try to spend a few hours thinking of nothing beyond the walls of the room you are in.

past, present, future, fair, evil are all just concepts that don’t exist outside your own mind. put them down for a while and come back to this later. these concepts are tools and like any tool they can create value or create destruction.

[Teligacio]

i must first send you love and peace, its alright to feel this and to ask these questions. these are very important things to know and understand. the truth lies in the free will of each being. the evil, torture and horrific lives you describe do exist. it is part of the cosmic balance, yes the dance. the part to understand is that each entity has the choice of free will to embrace the love and light or not. the law of free will makes it necessary for one to invite the love and light into their life. the failure to do so allows the evil to 'invite' itself as it has no respect for free will. once you are full of the darkness, service to self, negative polarity whatever you want to call it, it is incredibly hard to come back to the light. imho, speaking from personal experience, these extreme horrific events are meant as a catalyst to get one seeking the light, ask and ye shall receive. the choice is what you are here for and it can reverse anytime from one polarity to the other. if, in the face of evil, one denies the existence of love how can it intervene? to do so uninvited violates the free will and becomes no less than a puppet master.
it is very sad to see a tortured soul struggle through the endless pain here on earth. this is part of our cosmic responsibility to shine as a beacon for these and reach out as an example of light and love. it is only through an unconditional love that the darkness fades and light reigns.

[wbondarmunw]

anatta, that reply was so nice, it needed to be shown twice. :-)

to the op: yes, so much in this “reality” seems horrible and absurd, but it *is* part of an overall much greater set of experiences that one consciously chooses to goes through before entering this virtual world.

try to imagine physical reality like a complicated, virtual reality video game where we as eternal, truly non-physical entities can play out infinite variations on "the human experience."

at this time, on this planet, one of those variations is "learning through suffering and pain." that is a paradigm that we are shifting out of, however. once we as individuals embrace our own past suffering and learn the lessons those experiences were self-created to teach, we will individually and collectively choose to experience "positivity" love and joy.

it may take 4 years, it may take 400 more years (i hope not) but eventually it will happen here on this planet, too. concentrate first and foremost on what’s happening inside of you, and once that is sorted out, do your part to help others.

love and service,
cameron

[cepAceryTem]

dear tiff,
if you feel like reading more, to perhaps gain a larger backdrop, you may want to read steiner's karmic relationships series. they sat on my shelf for long time! maybe they'd offer you more educative value. you could read bobby matherne's individual reviews of the multi-volume series (just change the numeral in the link, 1-8, for the respective volume).
please see - i know what you mean - nina
http://www.doyletics.com/arj/kr1rvw.htm

"in this metaphor, a crude one, because not all things exactly fit, i have laid out for you the karmic plan for your present life. here's steiner's table from page 40, with a column added for the building task force metaphor:
hierarchy spiritual beings functions house metaphor
3 angels, archangels, archai well-being (comfort, discomfort) interior decorators
2 powers, mights, dominions sympathies, antipathies contractors
1 seraphim, cherubim, thrones events, experiences architects

you might ask where is the owner in this set of hierarchies? the owner is you, me, our individual 'i' which is "in our ego-organization, and lives over from an earlier earth life." (page 40). once we have moved into our new house for awhile, we tend to forget about the architects, the contractors, and decorators and just say it's my house, i built it, and we take personal credit for all the good stuff in it and blame the other stuff on lack of time or money, up until now. from now on we can give credit to the first, second, and third hierarchies for faithfully executing the requirements that we gave them. where did those requirements come from? from the way we lived our previous lifetime. "

[gWhya5ct]

when you question the presence of evil - service to self at the cost of others - you are really touching upon one of the big questions that get people to question the presence of any form for god, especially a loving god. its one of those great paradoxes that can only be solved by understanding that the level of pain and suffering that we experience on the physical plane is very real, but it is still an illusion in the greater picture. first we need to understand that death is an illusion because consciousness continues after we leave our body.

[reference to channelling removed per rules] the reason for duality in life is to enable us to experience the entire range of choices available to us. this again teaches us about the consequences of those choices, which again teaches us about love because love is all about giving the freedom of choice.

we do not have the perspectives to say that any person is "innocent" when they are "victims" of a crime of violence. who knows, maybe they are experiencing the other side of the coin and thereby creating wholeness through experience.

after all those years and after experiencing ra material, i can see that ra says the same thing - that third density is all about self discovery and choice. without duality we would never experience the necessity for growing out of violence and service to self at the cost of others.
hope that helps.