[xrumerang]

[note from moderator: this may also be copied to the law of one forum in the future-good woork nelson]

here are pehaps the real questions you may be truly asking about virginia teach and the revealing. decision time for all!



1/30/81

questioner: is it possible, since we are wanderers, for you to tell us anything about which our last density was, which density we came from?

ra: i scan each and find it acceptable to share this information. the wanderers in this working are of two densities, one the density of five, that is, of light; one the density of love/light, or unity. to express the identity of which came from which density, we observe to be an infringement upon the free will of each. therefore, we state simply the two densities, both of which are harmoniously oriented towards work together.

1/31/81

questioner: does the orion group use this principle to create conditions favorable to suit their purpose?

ra: i am ra. we will answer more specifically than the question. the orion group uses daydreams of hostile or other negative natures to feed back or strengthen these thought-forms.

questioner: do they ever use any, shall i say, gratifications of the physical body [through mental processes?]?

ra: i am ra. they are able to do this only when there is a strong ability on the part of the receiving mind/body/spirity complex towards the perception of thought forms. this could be termed an unusual characteristic but has been indeed been a method used by orion entities.
questioner: are the many wanderers who have and are coming to our planet subject to the orion thoughts?
ra: i am ra. as we have said before, wanderers become completely the creature of third density in mind/body complex. there is just as much chance of such influence to a wanderer entity as to a mind/body/spirit complex of this planetary sphere. the only difference occurs in the spirit complex which, if it wishes, has an armor of light, if you will, which enables it to recognize more clearly that which is not as it would appropriately be desired by the mind/body/spirit complex. this is not more than a bias and cannot be called an understanding.
furthermore, the wanderer is, in its own mind/body/spirit complex, less distorted towards the, shall we say, deviousness of third-density positive/negative confusions. thus, it often does not recognize as easily as a more negative individual the negative nature of thoughts or beings.
questioner: then would the wanderers, as they incarnate here, be high-priority targets, shall we say, of the orion group?
ra: i am ra. this is correct.
questioner: if a wanderer should be successfully infringed upon, shall i say, by the orion group, what would happen to this wanderer when harvest came?
ra: i am ra. if the wanderer entity demonstrated through action a negative orientation towards other-selves it would be as we have said before, caught into the planetary vibration and, when harvested, possibly repeat again the master cycle of third density as a planetary entity. this shall be the last full question of this session

love,
nelson

[xrumerang]

ok!
you have virginia tech an engineering school right, then you have a d-a --p -a, undergroud facility. that is fifth density energy working with it's potential like, so as to attract it right. does this all make sense back to ra's reading.

with all due respect to the moderator and david you do not have to post this if this conincides with conspirorists theory's. my point is the reading of ra and how it correlates with the shadowing of humanity back to itself. i truly hope you understand! i do not even like talking about this, but we must see a deeper picture than what is being represented. remember, on a positive note that nothing ever dies in the universe (it only displaces itself for a period of time) and grows because we are all one. that is what jesus did when he forgave everyone. he grew through a another level of density (even though he is 5 positve) of stagnation by taking in their pain. because one + one = one

thanks guys,
nelson

[elektikaka]

hey nelson, and our trusty moderators,

this topic is the issue that we all must face. and, that was a period. how difficult it must be for the "ra" to continuously, lovingly, with such gentle persistance, try to find just the right way to communicate their timeless wisdom, while looking back over their shoulder at the approaching wave, and pleading, in their ra sort of way, that their message will not fall on "deaf" ears; and enough souls here on earth will indeed "wake up" before it gets complicated.

i don't have that problem. so y'all want to shine your light on the darkness, eh? uninformed, and clueless on planet earth, is about all i see around here; present company excepted. do you not get it that a perpetual state of war exists, and has existed, in this little ol' universe since, like about a day short of forever? and that a major skirmish is scheduled soon, right here in your neighborhood? are we here, ya think, to shine lights, or win one for the good guys? "what greater triumph can you expect, than to teach your enemy that he is not your match?" montaigne . he was a french fellow, from, what, 17th or 18th century?

here's some more french- "what is the good of starting in quest of truth, with one who has no pace, and no walking-power to speak of?" and, "i hail, and welcome truth, in whatever hand i find it, as soon as i see her approach in the distance." pretty smart guy.

so, how do we turn this puppy around, kick some zeta-reticulooser, orion-muck-face booty, and move on? we're all living here on this little 3d planet, like it, or not; but it's our closest link to what lies beyond. if the question is one of achieving a balanced state of awareness to deal with all that is now occuring, then it follows that the answer must be mechanical! get it? these meat machines that we are planted in obey the laws of nature, the laws of physics, and thus, by their own design must operate within these limits. but, you are the ghost in the machine! nuf said.

and, yes, love is the answer; never mind the question.

i am bob :d

[elektikaka]

greetings divine forumers-

while pondering the proposition posited by this thread, and while browsing the huge, and expanding collection of musings being shared on this entire site, and as the tv and radio gather dust, so that the only other input comes from, well, where-ever, here are some current thoughts on the matter.

from the ra, the q'uo, carla's "wanderers handbook, et al., we get a number of something like 65,000,000 wanderers on this rock, of which perhaps a big percentage are of 6th density origin, with a fair representation from other places and spaces. ok. would not those 6d entitys, some of the ra group and such, wondering and wandering and learning through-out the eons already have the law of one somehow "hardwired" into their dna? just maybe, the law of one material is a group-specific message that will resonate excellently with some, very well with others, and put others into la la land. if the above number has any significance, then this material is only directed to about 1% of the planetary population, specifically. (11:11am)

but, to be sure- the ra aren't the only ones to have a "ground crew" imbedded here for the big show. and, perhaps these other groups have their own specific marching orders being sent down, by however they do what they do, by their own up-line, off-planet, extra-dimensional selves. like george green's handbooks, for example. or, the native american shamanic traditional teachings.

so, as we collectively stand at this smorgasbord of knowledge available to us these days, to para-phrase the q'uo- "eat all you wish, and leave the rest for someone else." at this point, just find a drummer that works. you can always move to another concert.

i know from my own experiences in meeting folks like david, carla, nelson, and others, there's been this sort of instant recognition that occurs- really cool, actually. on the carribean cruise, there was one who observed: isn't it cool to get the gang back together again? indeed. and, then to get the confirmation that david, i, and one other in that group had worked together in atlantean times, (i had a reading, too, nelson), was like- wow- small universe, eh?

so then, what's the point? i don't bloody know for sure anymore. when i was in my 20's and 30's, i knew everything. now, 20 years or so farther along, i've finally learned to listen, pay attention, and ask a lot of questions. these are my thoughts for today- what're yours?

bob

[oneliRafmeene]

dear folks.

this thread is quite awesome. felt eager to jump in and hopefully add something new to it.

i couldn't post the entire website but her'es a bit

from [please email for link and author]
the following extract describes the difference between indigo and crystal children.

the first thing most people notice about crystal children is their eyes, large, penetrating, and wise beyond their years. their eyes lock on and hypnotize you, while you realize your soul is being laid bare for the child to see. perhaps you've noticed this special new "breed" of children rapidly populating our planet. they are happy, delightful and forgiving. this generation of new lightworkers, roughly ages 0 through 7, are like no previous generation. ideal in many ways, they are the pointers for where humanity is headed ... and its a good direction!

the older children (approximately age 7 through 25), called "indigo children", share some characteristics with the crystal children. both generations are highly sensitive and psychic, and have important life purposes. the main difference is their temperament. indigos have a warrior spirit, because their collective purpose is to mash down old systems that no longer serve us. they are here to quash government, educational, and legal systems that lack integrity. to accomplish this end, they need tempers and fiery determination.

those adults who resist change and who value conformity may misunderstand the indigos. they are often mislabeled with psychiatric diagnoses of attention deficit with hyperactivity disorder (adhd) or attention deficit disorder (add). sadly, when they are medicated, the indigos often lose their beautiful sensitivity, spiritual gifts and warrior energy..........in contrast, the crystal children are blissful and even-tempered. sure, they may have tantrums occasionally, but these children are largely forgiving and easy-going. the crystals are the generation who benefit from the indigos trailblazing. first, the indigo children lead with a machete, cutting down anything that lacks integrity. then the crystal children follow the cleared path, into a safer and more secure world.[/quote]

so, what's my point. we all have messages to give and take. and that's a big message in itself, the universal. and we're all at our own crossroads and concurrently together at the same crossroads. so the law of one can reach us all, each crossroad by taking a broad swipe at things and so can dw. and their awesomeness is in showing us what our potential is. we can all become like the crystal generation, it is indeed our birthright.

but sometimes, the indigo in us is calling out and just won't be satisfied it seeks the energizing/polarizing effects of this 3rd density. it is this passion of emotions that are our best strength and worst weakness of this unique density. i love it foo! ghandi, mandella, jesus, baha'u'llah were all force to suffer through prision to be baptized with divine knowledge of the infinity of spirit. now we have the same potential, initiated by those folks to experience it in ourself as we are imprisioned in this 3rd density planet.

bjork--joga---
...state of emergency...
...how beatuiful to be!...
...state of emergency...
...is where i want to be...

bjork sings of the feeling of urgency, of a push to action, of a shaking off
i think thats what foo was experiencing and its glorious! its our indigo inheritance and its crucial for this day and age! the key though is not becfoming adicted to it. to realisze that it is a like the force and has a dark and a light side and a state of harmony or equilibrium or harmonic resonance is reached as we go throug ht the process of evolution.

and, i've felt this mistake in myself, don't feel that we need to epitomize the 4th density in our-selves as we are 3rd density and are still subjected to its ways. but know that it is coming, and maybe take greater joy and relish in our 3rd density mood swings for they may serve as a reminder of the heaven that is well on the way. and this goes for the coming inconvieninces as well. don't let the fear overtake us. think of it as the last ditch effort of the armies of darkness to grasp of the chalice of infinity. but it is not of their world and will remain off the falling edge of their reach. so know this, as we approach hardship and struggle it only means that we are arriving, ever closer and closer tothe promised land. so be galvanized, teach those who are thirsty for knowledge and lay down in the company of your cosmic bretheren afloat in the aether.

peace and justice be with you all
aghsan

[xrumerang]

when you consider the decription "law of one", then obviouslsy all is one. now consider that there are many fragments (fractals) to that one. ok! then one would assume that all are not in equal vibration to another, fine. yet we are all one, as a vibration may we (or may not) rise above its current constructs, would it not then to be fair to say that there are levels of the construct. that does not mean to degrade or insult another, that simply means that there are layers upon layers (which is the beauty of infinity) in which we all grow forever. george greene said that there are mysteries beyond ours, and as such another curtain behind aother curtain as bob so eloquently put it. the point --- if we have a certain amount of wanderers, then some wander in from different levels of vibration. some are like us, others above etc.. then, therefore no description of the contribution each has to offer should be judged. it's one. we all have our job.

it offended me in the fact that others thought that i was diminishing them when i said "rookie", i later said that we are all rookies. and so we grow. one later wrote that " i must realize that when a person has an an issue with another, that they have not yet faced their issue that is reflecting upon themselves" (don't hold me to that exact quote). but, there is another aspect to that , which involves that which would one not resonate or agree with should be deleted from them so to speak; so thus transpires an "equal / opposite aproach. none are right/none are wrong. we just offer another perspective.

as bob would so say "whatever" , but i say however. however, is the the way you wish to interpret. that allows "free will" , but i still go with whatevever! it says the same thing.

amen , god belss and may the force be with you,
nelson

ps.: i had an ole buddy that once said, ain't here for a long time, just a good time!

[AndyColemants]

nelson, sorry i ever said anything, enough already about the rookie thing, but i did like that observation about when someone has an issue with someone about something it's because that person has an unresolved issue about that very thing, or something to that effect does that make you feel better?

so i have an issue with being immature, or new, or whatever, and i take it out on you. so i'm sorry. it seems we're all so sensitive and easily offended, at least i am. this thread is about returning to the law of one, this is important, it's what it's all about.

so now you have an issue with those who are having an issue with you (???)where's it going to end? i/we are a bit disgusted with some of the behavior "out there" and yet we are exhibiting similar behaviors ourselves. separation.

a little while ago i tried to call my mother after not having called her since march, and my sister answered, so i hung up the phone without saying anything. how mature is that? i won't have anything to do with her because she's "mean" to me. the justification is that why should i put up with abuse? try keeping your cool when someone (a loved one, no less) is spitting in your face. i haven't got my sainthood badge yet.

yes i know all about spiritual principles (sigh). i know she is in pain and i should feel compassion and if i'm mad at her it's because of one of my "unresolved issues". i get so tired of it all sometimes. somewhere in the wanderers handbook, which i'm reading right now, it says that if you feel tired then just rest, stop trying so hard, that's not a quote, it's the meaning i got.

and bob, recognition, i get that sometimes, and it's fun. i find myself looking at the kids i teach, wondering if there's anybody there from the past. a few years back i was in a group learning about this metaphysical business, and it was decided to do a group regression, and a date set. well, i was unable to be there, so i did my own regression to see what would happen, and i got a vision of the group in a certain situation, and when i compared notes with the group, it coincided exactly, something about us all being together as american indians in this village that was raided and everybody died except me, i got kidnapped. well, that was a great confirmation, either that we really were together in that time, or that we all created the same fantasy and shared it between us.

and you never know, do you? on a certain level all of this is an illusion, and how far does that go? we all make it up as we go along. so what's real and what isn't? oh ya, i was supposed to be in atlantis as well, and what i got out of that experience is an extreme paranoia of expressing my own power. i sort of like the feel of lemuria better, although i didn't hear about it until a few months ago, and there were some synchronicities involved. it's all good fun to research and wonder, but ultimately whatever......

[xrumerang]

quote from dr. robert "obi-one" riedel, regarding the title post of "always return to the law of one".

"this topic is the issue that we all must face. and, that was a period."

this is very well put and helps keep us always in tune to the bigger picture. allowing us to always take that necessary, step back; and then begin to see things from a greater perspective. realizing that what changes are taking place on the earth at this time are indeed needed in order to allow each entity to awaken. remeber, there is always chaos before harmony. if any of you have seen the display of the sacred geometry when the resonace of energy is raised in vibrating the molecules, you will see that just before they settle into a harmonious pattern there is a very chaotic state they are in just before their transformation. i think that this is analogous of what is taking place now. and as such will be further increasing before the harmony has arrived.


great posting bob

side note: for those of you who are not aware of dr. robert "obi-one" riedel's works, you may find it right here at divine cosmos discussions. of which he has authored any numer of magnificent postings that have brought both adept perspectives accented by an unrelentless sense of humor attached to their deeper hidden meanings. he is also credited with having the "5th chakra badge of honor award" (4 years running), for having taken on an undue amount of responsibilty as chief engineer of conducting the 6-d light train of fellow light workers, in harboring them to safety at a charge of free. he is also noted for his leadership role in heading up the carla rueckert/william henry group in mackinaw island, without wing man support.

keep up the good work obi-one and may your horse always be with you!
nelson

[elektikaka]

hey thanks, ltc!

we've had many lovely, cloudless days here, recently-(the chemtrailists must be on summer break), and already got close to 30 lbs. of salts packed up in the trunk for the trip to superior next week. also, handfulls of suppliments, and some decent pain meds are bringing back some quality of life- an mri this week should tell the story...

as the veil continues to thin as we slide towards 4d, many wonderful, and helpful messages are getting through now, via channeled sources, (except on this forum), and personal connections with higher selve-ness; but- understandably, this works both ways. the "loyal opposition", as carla likes to refer to them, also are finding it easier to get through, so what's an awakening spirit to do?

very simply, question everything! just run any input, from any person or source through your internal bs detector. if it resonates well, and feels right, it probably is. if it instills feelings of fear, or any of the other negatively slanted emotions, just ignore it. and don't be afraid to shout it out- boy, isn't this a bunch of c**p- this is no time to be shy. the major media, and networks will continue to do their best to rain on this parade- maybe it's time for some new networks...

chaos may soon become the order of the day. but it absolutely is nothing to fear- it's just another dance; one that is very danceable, but will require a paradym shift in your dancin' skills. if change becomes the order of the day, well then, we simply must learn how to embrace change, and simply love our way through it.

our founders, in the u.s declaration of independence, acknowledged our god-given right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. i don't recall that ever being repealed. happiness is the key. if you cultivate happiness in all of your endeavers, the boogy-man can't touch ya. and, it drives 'em nuts...

bob

[elektikaka]

holy cow, nelson- can i get some fries with that?

well, it is, as it's always been- the good guys vs. the bad guys- the light vs. the dark- righteous vs. wrongeous- black and white- cowboys and indians-(i always rooted for the indians), and on and on. so? that's called balance. ya can't have one without the other- it's some kind of cosmic rule. but, the rules allow your choice of how you may wish to participate in this big drama called life, and believe me, life is not meant to be a spectatator sport. audience participation is allowed, and in fact critically important at this point in our shared reality- except the "loyal opposition" have the majority convinced that this false reality they have created for our pleasure and enjoyment is all there is- the only problem is that it's beginning now to resemble a rotten, sinking ship, and we're running out of buckets fast. but that's ok, because this "ship" is crewed by some of the most powerful beings in the universe! wanna meet one? go look in a mirror!

i had the thought of responding to the fairly new thread concerning the george green videos recently released, but the heavy focus on only one side of his presentation was a bit disapointing. what is missing, in my humble opinion, is a discussion of what he refers to as his "mission", and that seems to be largely focused on the huge amount of imformation contained in the three "free" e-books, that can be downloaded from his site. been working on 'em for a few days, and holy ra, batman- this is some good stuff!

as ra says something like "thoughts are things in your reality," these books expand on that theme with some great ways to think excellently, and with a focused purpose to inhance our audience participation, which is important, as we seem to be in the bottom of the ninth, and down a run or two.

(note- don't e-mail bob for links and such as he's out cutting the grass)

so, think properly, and think well, campers- your future may depend on it!

bob

[xrumerang]

bob's quote:
as ra says something like "thoughts are things in your reality," these books expand on that theme with some great ways to think excellently, and with a focused purpose to inhance our audience participation, which is important, as we seem to be in the bottom of the ninth, and down a run or two.

hey bob,

since you are an (cleveland) indian fan, how about you make a call to the tribe's front office and have me dh in the bottom of he ninth. i will bring my special bat, you know the copper tube with a quartz crystal on the end. hey, aren't the rockefellers from cleveland or pittsburgh? by the way i rooted for the indians over the cowboys too.

anyway great post, i think what most people fail to realize is there are always opposites and that is what leads to growth. basicilly "knowing the difference" is the test. people seem to focus on the negative part of george green's interview, but when taken in proper context he is only bringing awareness to the masses. awareness is a far different structure than fear. i do not think most are getting that point. ra consistently makes reference to the orion group, trickery and negative entity's. so what is the problem of discussing it, heck alex jones and david icke do it everyday, the problem is "fear", you can choose to focus on it or not. i choose awarenes without fear, but with a realizing of the negative's position that is staring boldface in front of me. i am not going to be a puppet for this or any other government, business or individual for that matter. i have no problem with discussing such issues and have great honor for what george green has brought to the table. we all recognize that the loo and david are only promoting "positive" consciousness, that is the whole point, be aware,yet not distracted in fear. that is part of the mirror we all must go (grow) through. look at star wars or any other 3d story or movie production, always good vs. bad. both sides had the power of the force, it was how you wanted to use it -sto vs sts. as for george green he even has a copy of david's book on his web site (as you pointed out). i will definitely be downloading all versions.

hey i have few extra water buckets for the sinking ship and a backup dingy along with a built in time travel machine which runs off of my built in pineal fuel gland for quick escape! by the way i think everyone else has one too.

pineal peace - nelson

ps. don't do fear - it is a bad drug

[AndyColemants]

i'm glad the subject of george green and his 3 ebooks was brought up. just as you say, bob, the other thread was rather negative, and yes, i didn't enjoy the black picture he painted in his latest video, but the paradigm handbook is something else.

the handbook is much closer to david's message than george's, and he is the channel! maybe he does want to warn people just in case, and maybe it would be nice if he focused more on the positive, but he is who he is.

i would be interested to know david's opinion of the handbook. if he's even read it. i was very attracted to it, and the other 2, and thought they were "the real deal."

[xrumerang]

hello larissa,

you should read the "becoming", if you have not already. i just completed the first 30 pages. personally, i have never found any info out there that is more closely related to the ra material than this. when reading through it i find that it is not all doom and gloom at all, especially in "becoming". it speaks of the same issue of order from chaos. this essentially allows an awakening that is pregnant with possibilities for exponential growth. i think it is very important to note that "the doom and gloom" theory should only be visited for the purpose of having to make that choice to sto instead of sts, make that choice of conscious shift within oneself first. so there is no problem i have in being "aware" that the neg - elite have an agenda that is right out in front of our faces for us to see (just as david said: they put the lie right out in front of you), whoopdy doo. any one half awake can see that, so what problem would one have with the discussion of "it's sounds all negative to me"! it is negative and in front of us, does that mean we don't talk about it? that would be like living on that river called "de-nile" or something like that. i did not say dwell on it and fill up with fear. quite the opposite simply be aware of it's presence there.
well truth is not always pretty friends, in fact it is downright saddening and sorrowful (i have heard that before somewhere --- oh yea "brothers and sisters of sorrow" in the law of one, that's right) anyway we should not run from the truth of the doom and gloom scenario just be aware of the bar being set as high as it is, so that others can make that jump, make that leap into faith. that then allows a true shift into a breaking down of all the lies misconceptions, institutions, religions, wars, fossil fuels greed and other "controlling" structures of a belief system. so that we don't have to be a parent/child citiszen of the universe, rather a co-creator adult of the universe. those that do not wish to grow up and defy our current structure, through consciousness/ attention/ intention/ manifestation of the group process known as oneness for the purpose of saving mama earth, should not be here anyway. we have already beat the s**t out of her, and the real big boy (all of us) the infinite creator or god is tired of us kicking our own as*.

here you want some good news - from ra: "you can truly say the game is rigged and there shall be no victory of negativity"

(that is from my reading, you wn't find it in the loo)

here i will give everyone some more good news - you never die, you live forever! so where is the fear, it is in ourselves. with a great deal of help from the sts mind programers i might add.

that you can dwell on - that is positive.

thanks larrisa


let's start the big dance - hey i recently learned a new dance it's called "the shift" cause i got tired of "the swing" it just goes back and forth all the time! -- pun intended

lots a love - nelson

[RlUbQU3R]

hello larissa,

you should read the "becoming", if you have not already. i just completed the first 30 pages. personally, i have never found any info out there that is more closely related to the ra material than this. when reading through it i find that it is not all doom and gloom at all, especially in "becoming". it speaks of the same issue of order from chaos.

big snip

lots a love - nelson

nelson and gang

according to the guiding rules of divine cosmos the discussion of "unapproved" outside channeling is not allowed.

obviously we are stretching the rules here. it would be nice if david wilcock had the available time to examine george's work so he could offer us a learned opinion concerning this recently sticky question.

i don't think george is exactly -- as one put it -- "spot on with david and the
law of one." there are some gray areas around the fringes, and then again there is george's recent pessimisim fueled by what he sees as a calamatous
near future, plus planet x lurking out there -- all of which is highly contrary to david's take on it.

on a secondary note is his association and validation of the highly controversial figure, billy meier, and his radical jmmanuel version of jesus, plus billy's very suspicious "wedding cake" ufo ...which surprisingly had a discontinuity feature that inspired george to use the principle to create a small "free energy" demonstration toy.

because i personally hold george in high regard -- he is a very warm-hearted, talented and super intelligent individual -- i was influenced to re-think my negative opinion of meier. (always learning, never arriving)

one of the works on the dc suggested list is the work of ken carey, with his "the third millenium" being a particular favorite of mine. i've mentioned several times that i consider it an inspiring, romantic rendering of the law of one. but like george's accounts there are some minor/major? differences that do make a difference; however, despite the differences, it is considered to be in sufficient compliance.

george's "handbook for the new paradigm" is a stunning work. i don't have any trouble melding it in with the ra material, but then i'm not all that smart either.

the major problem with george and the divine cosmos philosophy is that george has switched gears and has now come to the conclusion that a critical point has been passed, but with the positive efforts of the light-bearers coming up short ...well, so much for the wonderfully optimistic tone present in his earlier writings.

there may be a way around this apparent conflict. george's contact is with the pelaedians, who admit that there are spiritual entities above them busy pulling strings; the coming consequences they are not totally aware of...and they may not be aware of dan burisch's conclusion that we are back on a relatively "safe" time line variant. (yeah! cheers! for a more comfortable departure...to quote woody allen..."i'm not afraid of dying...i just don't want to be there when it happens." )

a final observation. supposedly et's are being attracted to mother gaia like zilions of iron filings to a magnet. an observation has been made that the aliens can be divided into three major groupings.

1) the good ( ? )shepards
2) the parents.
3) the philosophers

the good shepards are those who claim a vested interest in us and feel that as their property they do with us as they may.

the parents act like parents, hovering around trying to keep us out of trouble, but by doing so screw around with our free will and actually impede our spiritual development. (no good deed goes unpunished)

the philosophers are high level entities, such as the ra, who bend over backwards not to interfere with our self-development; their gift to us is the offering of guiding principles that we can freely use or discard.

anyway, that's my momentary take on things, best, etc. bill g aka bbb

ps i like this bit from the pleadians: "i'm a human becoming, please help me become!"

[XarokLasa]

hey nelson, and our trusty moderators,

i don't have that problem. so y'all want to shine your light on the darkness, eh? uninformed, and clueless on planet earth, is about all i see around here; present company excepted. do you not get it that a perpetual state of war exists, and has existed, in this little ol' universe since, like about a day short of forever? and that a major skirmish is scheduled soon, right here in your neighborhood? are we here, ya think, to shine lights, or win one for the good guys?

this is what i am sensing in my heart and is the reason why i am having nightmares and a growing sense of fear. i feel as well that we are about to experience earth's final hurrah of sts. and i feel it will be "right here in your neighborhood?"

i know it is all about love your attacker and don't be afraid to die.

honestly, i must say, that i don't think ra has it hard. he gets to view us from a broader perspective. he/them gets to see the bigger picture.

but maybe the whole point is that ra/you/me and everyone here are all one and the same.

[xrumerang]

you are right on the spot! i have absolutlty no problem with your take on present things. we are all growing. the question is where.? toward positive or negaive consciousess. that is the only point. you are on the the right track, do not fret about these postings. they are intent about awakening ourselelves to be more aware of greater consciousness as one. together as we break down the walls of resistince to each other. let us say that we agree to disagree with one commonality. we agree on oneness and love, we are all unique; but we all love each other. the truth being that we all strive for harmony anongst ourselves.

i am wrong too and right at the same time!

looove nelson

[elektikaka]

good evening, divine cosmonauts!

absolutely right-on, foo- this really is big picture territory. but isn't that the topic of this thread, and indeed the whole reason for this forum in the first place? where else can you go to have these kind of discussions 24/7, and if not to arrive at ready solutions, at least to define some of the same issues we all have on our minds; and through this medium grow into perhaps a new way of looking at this big picture thingy with hopefully an enhanced perspective?

bill, i love your thought: " always learning, never arriving." that does sort of describe a human becoming, doesn't it? how many books can one read, movies watch, music listened to, beauty experienced, heartache endured, before you start to see the commonalities through-out? how many great teachers have we had, great authors, playrights, mystics, seers, and fools- all contributing to our greater understanding of this big picture thing? can you imagine 100 years ago, how long it would take for a book to travel half-way around the world, and back, to be shared and discussed like we now do with e-books?

this planet has been described as a "prison planet." anyone feel like your in prison? slavery and freedom are choices we make based on our programing. and only you can make the decission to change that programing, if you wish. what is being discussed here is of great, critical importance. i feel it's safe to say we all made a decision to be here at this place and time, to do whatever it is, or play whatever part we've chosen. well, it's showtime, people! the end of the world has happened/been predicted so many times- but it's/we're still here! one planet blown to pieces-, another turned into a red dust bowl- come on, now-
we're getting short of planets! (law of one stuff, don't cha know)

the information offered on this site, and discussed and shared on this forum can help us all to wake-up and contribute positively through-out the coming "inconvienences." may we all perform magnificently....

bob

danger! eternity ahead!

[xrumerang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7hnl...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw1xu...eature=related

[moderator note: links to george green presentations]

[XarokLasa]

this planet has been described as a "prison planet." anyone feel like your in prison? slavery and freedom are choices we make based on our programing. and only you can make the decission to change that programing, if you wish. what is being discussed here is of great, critical importance. i feel it's safe to say we all made a decision to be here at this place and time, to do whatever it is, or play whatever part we've chosen. well, it's showtime, people! the end of the world has happened/been predicted so many times- but it's/we're still here! one planet blown to pieces-, another turned into a red dust bowl- come on, now-
we're getting short of planets! (law of one stuff, don't cha know) i don't know whether to laugh or conceptualize over what you said. because i get your hidden sort of sarcastic humor with the whole thing. and i guess i did a bit of both.

about your "prison planet" comment. i agree and i would like to add:

why is it that two of my biggest heroes, gandhi and nelson mandela, found much of their profound wisdom because they spent years in solitary confinement?

that seems to be what this life (3d) is all about. kind of like a pilgrimage. you are all alone, trapped in this body, and you are forced to really think about what in the hell is important. at first it is food, then violence, then sex, then fame, then we realize, finally, all of that stuff is hallow. finally, after watching the tide rise and fall for lifetimes, we see that love is what brings the tide in. and that is it.

love multiplies. everything else divides.

you are a deep and wise person, robert, so please post your thoughts more often.

[AndyColemants]

thanks, moderators for allowing the discussion of this outside material.

in a way it's strange to be restricted on a site that promotes freedom, but paradoxes abound in this field. discernment is a key issue. if the moderators were not there, the forum could easily degenerate into negativity, given the fear surrounding the 2012 issue.

information conflicts, opinions vary, it's all a part of the soup. my feeling about the 2012 issue is that it's not going to be a big deal, like everybody seems to think it is. the shift is already happening, and i believe will continue to accelerate until whenever, and 2012 will just be a point along the way. i don't think everybody's going to wake up one day and be in the 4th dimension. that's just my own personal opinion.

i believe all the whistleblowers, i like hearing about the latest atrocity unveiling ( even though my heart bleeds for the vicitms), it's almost like an entertaining movie. i also believe in the opposite picture, that our collective consciousness will avert the projected disaster, that we have the support of unseen entities and we will do it, together.

what i liked about georg'es handbooks (and yes, i have read becoming) is that it gives actual doable instructions on how to collectively change the picture from doom to victory. i like that even though i am not part of any "group" right now (except this forum, does that count?) my continued consciousness raising and simple awareness can make a difference to the whole. i want to be of use, and knowing that helps.

so, thank you all for being here....cheers.