[Honealals]

really sorry if this has been beaten to death before, but ...

1. what if you've been a jerk your entire life, and 24 hours before the big day in 2012 you turn into a nice guy and starting helping others and putting your own self-interest lower down on your totem pole of 'things to do' ... do you still make it 4d positive?

2. what if you've been a nice person your whole life, but your older brother has been a turd his whole life ... does he stay in 3d in the astral plane for 500 years as you ascend to 4d positive? wouldn't you miss him? he may have been spiritually backward, but he's still your bro ... wouldn't you want him to go with you to 4d+ despite his failings or limitations? wouldn't kevin miss wayne??? i would.

... and one more (just thought of it):

3. if ra was much further down the spiritual path than we puny humans when they went from 3d to 4d+ ... and only about 20% of them made it to 4d positive--what will be our graduation rate??? 5%?? what's 5% of 6.5 billion people -- 325 million people. only 325 million folks left on the earth? our cities will be empty -- hell mexico city itself has like 14 million. and who's gonna ascend? only those who had an opportunity to better themselves--that's who! you know how many folks are struggling to find a bowl of rice right now--you think they give two hoots about "ascension"? do you blame them? so, the only people who will make it will be those who had comfortable enough lives which allowed them the luxury to spiritually advance themselves while in 3d. (who here is wondering if they're gonna eat tonight????) well missy ... they don't deserve it! why must a poor mother in sudan suffer while my relatively rich a$$ makes it to a world which is 100x more harmonious than it is now.

[johnbeller]

all have the opportunity to ascend and in mho the poor suffering mother in sudan might be well on her way there. we on the other hand, with our attachements to pretty much everything including to our family members, with our overinflated ego, might be a little behind. my point is everyone has in their current life, all the tools and opportunities for growth. the question is what kind of wall has been constructed between us and our destiny? and what tools will we choose to "shake the foundations"?..................sylvain............ .......