[MaigicyuNinia]

hello,

this is my first post so i hope you will excuse my confusion.
i have been watching david wilcock's videos by the dozens and i am having a problem understanding what the difference is between ascending to 4d and just simply dying.
he talks about us ending up in a reality where ghosts go, the astral, and so i am trying very hard to understand why this is different than dying.

thank you so much in advance

[Tapupah]

thanks for your question, dagaz, and welcome to the forum. this is a common question asked by many people. the simple answer is that we don't know for sure. a slightly more complex answer is that, if you are spiritually prepared to be harvested into fourth density, at the appropriate time, you will ascend to a fourth density consciousness.

the key here is that your consciousness is never interrupted, unlike some views on "death". however, we have no reason to believe that we will inhabit our third density physical bodies after the harvest. both ra and the q'uo (a heavily documented and consistently channeled entity by the same person, carla rueckert) confirm this fact about the incompatibility of our third density physical bodies with fourth density reality.

for more complex analysis of ra and q'uo, i recommend reading several threads that you can find on this board that directly address the harvest event.

peace in the love and the light,
e.j.

[johnbeller]

hello dagaz, well ascention litterally means the raising of our vibratory level to a higher frequency. or simply returning to what we once were, depending on your perspective. it involves discovering yourself, mastering yourself by voyaging down the silent path inwards to the deepest limits of yourself. this opens up the path to our true-selves, our divine selves, an unlimitted innocent spirit, holy and pure. the transmutation of one self to another higher self. this is the true meaning of ascention and it need not require death............................sylvain.......... ....................

[MaigicyuNinia]

thank you e.j. and silvanus sanctus germanus for your replies. i guess it's a hard one to figure out. it does sound a lot like death, but then i wouldn't know.
i think one of the best things about ascension for me will be remembering who we are and having more freedom. perhaps we will know more as time goes by, so-to-speak.

[enteltcheft]

the difference between ascending to 4d and dying is the difference between going to morocco and getting on a boat.

getting on a boat may or may not precede going to morocco. morocco can be reached by boat, among other means of transportation. you do not need to take a boat to get to morocco: you could take a plane, or swim to get there. boats can take you to other places: spain, india, iceland.

the two actions can be correlated, or even causative one of the other, but not necessarily. they have no inherent correlation.

[XiWm9O9S]

thanks for that one, john!

personally, i feel the belief in death is a misapprehension; i don't believe in it.

mark

[Nurfzerne]

hi there everyone,
i thought i remembered david speaking about this recently somewhere - and i thought he said that we will take out 'transformed' bodies with us - and that we will create the bodies we have in 4d - so that means the current physical body may/may not be the one we choose for our journey (i hope for an improved version 'cause i hope to go!) so i guess it means the 'death' of all it means to be a '3d person' - i don't think that matches what we now call 'death' (of our physical body). just my thoughts,
love, kathy

[PriniMai]

what about the relation of the veil in ascension process? if the veil is some kind of a constraint to our dna, and once it is removed/evolved, we should be able to easily increase our vibration right? i hope it's like that cuz compared to now, it's really hard (but possible) to train and discipline ourselves to actually experience ascension.

if humans will suddenly/slowly would be able to do "magical" things i wonder how much chaos and will happen. hopefully it's not destructive (like the heroes tv series) i wonder how the federations will do with these kind of events. can it be let happened naturally?

if one body/vehicle is not capable to ascend (probably due to genetics/untrained/confusion/misunderstanding) at the very last minute of 3d earth time, i guess death and rebirth/reincarnation to the chosen density is the only way imho. unless you are actually a higher density being wanting to experience here, i guess you could just manifest yourself anywhere you want. but that's a different story. either way, know that we are immortal being experiencing our creator's expression. everything is possible. careful not to "expect" too much, it narrows down the possibilities. we'll know when the appropriate time comes. for now, let's enjoy and value these memorable moments of living with mother earth.

peace

[enteltcheft]

anytime. thanks for the appreciation!

i agree with you on death, but differ from you semantically: i believe in it, very strongly, but in a positive way. like christmas.

:d

thanks for that one, john!

personally, i feel the belief in death is a misapprehension; i don't believe in it.

mark

[MaigicyuNinia]

johnasmodeus, markm, kstar, urakei, thank you for helping to clear this up. i am getting a better idea now. when i said death, i was talking on the lines of how johnasmodeus put it. i do not believe in death either in the traditional sense.
so what i am getting is that if we harvest to others, we will have much more freedom to say, write our own ticket, instead of ending up where the wind blows us in a matter of speaking.
i will be spending much more time here when i finish watching more video's. i want to have a clearer picture of what i am talking about, although, when i watch the video's, it is more like a remembering than a learning for the first time.
getting a positive view of what is going on is saving my life, really, because it would be easy to get bogged down in the troubles.

love and thanks,

dagaz

[johnbeller]

what about the relation of the veil in ascension process? if the veil is some kind of a constraint to our dna, and once it is removed/evolved, we should be able to easily increase our vibration right? i hope it's like that cuz compared to now, it's really hard (but possible) to train and discipline ourselves to actually experience ascension.

if humans will suddenly/slowly would be able to do "magical" things i wonder how much chaos and will happen. hopefully it's not destructive (like the heroes tv series) i wonder how the federations will do with these kind of events. can it be let happened naturally?

hi urakei, the first thing we recognize and naturaly protect as we ascend to 4d is the first distortion in the law of one, the law of free will. the veil will therefore transform into a conscious awareness of the infringement upon free will of others. we will instantaniously recognise the araising infringement before it happens and therefore avoid "stepping in someones path" so to speak. to me this is due to unconditional love, and the fact that we respect each others path. that is why, although some will ascend earlier, understanding the repercussions of showing off their abilities, most will ascend around the same time, when the shift occurs, preserving freedom. jmho........................sylvain............... ............

[PriniMai]

good point sylvain. thank yout. for sto orientation or most who studied loo, will probably think like that and i agree with that thinking too. respecting other's free-will. but what about those 'to be 4d sts'es'? if the veils are lifted while they are still on earth, it could be chaos imho. i hope i'm not discriminating them. just imagining the scenarios. learning to love others unconditionally is hard to me now considering our cultures and attachments towards material and survival :d.

it's possible that, they could misuse this freedom to fulfill their own desires. (i.e play god or manipulate those who are not aware or worst use force to control). i hope i'm not preventing them from exploring their own possibilities, but that's possible too. i think these guys should be very clever and knowledgeable but lack of compassion. most probably they'll know what they're doing in term of accessing and learning this new knowledge.

if it was me, i'd also would like to try some of the cool stuff too (fulfill my desires and dreams) before i start to use it for good use to help others or to enhance my experience. hopefully not consumed by the dark side of it. just my wild thought :d. most of these statements to me sounds like i'm conditioning my love towards others. i'm aware of that but i had to comment .