[mikeyyuiok]

melissamouse:

you? self-righteous? i don't believe it. you always seem so humble and gracious here on the boards. it is really hard to lose everything like that, huh?

i have never been one to accumulate a lot of material wealth, so, when i lost everything it meant that i became absolutely emotionally bankrupt. i lost all spirit, love, energy, happiness, or any sort of spark of life. and i had absolutely no choice but to accept that the way i was going about life was not working. it also, for the first time, forced me to be honest with the people who love me. and that is when i realized what i was doing wrong. i was stuffing everything away and not expressing myself or communicating. and i stuffed and stuffed everything until i broke down under the wait of it all. now i realize that if i am going to be happy again, like i was when i was a kid, then i am going to have to be open and honest and form real relationships with people. not just superficial ones.

[i meant to put this in this thread and i put it in the other one by accident]

[mikeyyuiok]

this is quite an amazing story of the extreme measures god/allah/great spirit/the-all-there-is (you get the point) will take in order to point you in a different direction or to get you back on track. this story comes from a hypnotherapy session in which a man asked his therapist to find the reason for a very violent incident that happened to him when he was a kid.

during my interview with him, the man told me about a terrible incident that occurred when he was younger. he was attacked in an alley in a large city, stabbed repeatedly by a gang, and then left for dead. he managed to crawl out to the street where someone found him and took him to the hospital. he almost died and remained in the hospital for quite a while recuperating. one of the things he wanted to know during our session was the purpose of the horrible experience. why did it happen? during the session, when i contacted the subconscious and asked it that question, the answer was very surprising. it said, "oh, that was a group of his friends who volunteered to help him." i thought, with friends like that, who needs enemies! it didn't seem the type of thing a friend would do!

the subconscious explained that it had all been orchestrated from the other side. the man's life was going in the wrong direction, and he was not going to be able to get back on his path without drastic action that would turn his life around. there had been many subtle attempts to get his attention, and when these did not work, the attack was arranged. drastic, dramatic, unexplainable, yes, but it shows the extremes the universe will go to in order to turn someone's life around without having them physically exit this world. so, could it be the measure of a man's wisdom is his ability to pick up on the more subtle early nudges life gives him and go with the flow? instead of waiting for life to bang you on your head with a frying pan?

http://books.google.com/books?id=ue_...l=en#ppa240,m1

[reiruviartugs]

hi foo,

i can relate to that - i had a serious car crash that should have killed me - at the time i was headed 'down the wrong road'!! i got the message - even though it resulted in my not having a materially prosperous life - it has been a spiriutally rich one since then...

now the only thing that 'concerns' me are the people around me who are on the wrong road as well - it is a painful awakening if it is orchestrated the way you have described and in my case - and with time getting 'short' - some of my loved ones are headed for that experience - perhaps?

i do not try to persuade them about any of my beliefs - i just live my life and hope they see the example of it working (as i recall you are fond of saying?) - but it is hard to watch them suffer - even when you know they have to somehow!

with love,
kathy - no more frying pans for me thanks all the same higher self/universe!

[mikeyyuiok]

hi foo,

i can relate to that - i had a serious car crash that should have killed me - at the time i was headed 'down the wrong road'!! i got the message - even though it resulted in my not having a materially prosperous life - it has been a spiriutally rich one since then...

now the only thing that 'concerns' me are the people around me who are on the wrong road as well - it is a painful awakening if it is orchestrated the way you have described and in my case - and with time getting 'short' - some of my loved ones are headed for that experience - perhaps?

i do not try to persuade them about any of my beliefs - i just live my life and hope they see the example of it working (as i recall you are fond of saying?) - but it is hard to watch them suffer - even when you know they have to somehow!

with love,
kathy - no more frying pans for me thanks all the same higher self/universe!

:d well said. yeah, it seems the universe starts with a feather and it just tickles your nose. then it taps you on the shoulder. then it shakes you a little. and well, you get where that is going.

i think the problem comes in when the path the universe seems to want to push us in puts our careers, marriages or our hard earned creature comforts in jeopardy. then people really go into denial of what their heart is telling them to do. and then the universe brings out the big guns. some people, including myself, have to learn the hard way i suppose.

i am glad you survived your ordeal and you are here to share it with us. i have been through some serious traumas myself.

take it light,
foo

[Mjyzpzph]

the frying pan on the head happens to all of us at one time or another.

it sure hurts when it does happen. it happened to me 6 years ago, and i have never been the same again. that was the beginning of an exciting journey, that eventually led me to this place. it was a wake up call from the universe, and i was literally thrown off my comfortable bed.

since then, i have learned to detect the little nudges that the universe gives me, and i promptly turn to the direction it leads me to. the lessons go smoother, with less bruises on my part. :d i'd say it is like surfing...you've to ride on top of the wave...don't get wiped out.

[mikeyyuiok]

the frying pan on the head happens to all of us at one time or another.

it sure hurts when it does happen. it happened to me 6 years ago, and i have never been the same again. that was the beginning of an exciting journey, that eventually led me to this place. it was a wake up call from the universe, and i was literally thrown off my comfortable bed.

since then, i have learned to detect the little nudges that the universe gives me, and i promptly turn to the direction it leads me to. the lessons go smoother, with less bruises on my part. :d i'd say it is like surfing...you've to ride on top of the wave...don't get wiped out.

and it is a great thing that you do not view it as a punishment from god but you view it as a wake up call.

once we can all begin to see that there is love in all actions, even what seems to be the most horrible circumstances, then the world will truly have changed.

i think we can see the frying pans being used all over the planet right now, on a large scale.

[Vezazvqw]

i had a huge wake-up call when i was getting all religious, selfrighteous and judgemental, about 12 years ago, my car got rear-ended, i lost all my belongings, and started to do all the things i was being harshley judgemental about.....smoking, drinking etc.....now that was a sad wake-up call, and i am still smoking.....and everytime i wish i didn't buy another pack, the whole message comes back loud and clear, so i guess i still have a little bit of a self rightiousness problem in some area's because otherwise i know it would be easy as pie to quit smoking again like the other 2 times i quit....so i still need to smarten up.....mabey not as badley....but i still have to clean my cup from the inside out, and not try to look clean on the outside until i am truly clean on the inside.

[Mjyzpzph]

and it is a great thing that you do not view it as a punishment from god but you view it as a wake up call.

once we can all begin to see that there is love in all actions, even what seems to be the most horrible circumstances, then the world will truly have changed.

i think we can see the frying pans being used all over the planet right now, on a large scale.

oh, but when hell was breaking loose in my life at that time, i did think it was a punishment from god. but i did not understand why i was being "punished", because i was living well within the "rules" that religion had laid for me. i felt betrayed and i felt alone in the world.

but, you know what is wonderful? the fact that the story didn't just end there.

in my depressed state, i frequented a chatroom to escape...and there i met an angel. looking back, he was a wanderer. he approached me, day in and day out, and after a few weeks of keeping him at bay, i opened up about my situation. he spent countless hours on messenger with me, for 3 and half months, deprogramming my mind of all the silly junk religion has put into my head....some 30 years worth of junk.

3 and half months of dissecting the bible (7 days a week)with me over messenger (it is a miracle he didn't get fired at work), something finally clicked inside my head. it felt really good. i was free from the guilt and fear of a judgemental god. it wasn't god judging us, it was us judging ourselves.

it was funny to realize that up until that point, i used to blame everything bad to the devil. "the devil made me do it". but that devil, was also me ! it was all me. the first step after realizing this, was to take responsibility for my reality. no it wasn't an angry god punishing me. it was my own thoughts, my own fear bringing all upon myself.

i saw that the universe was me, and i was the universe, and that we are all one. now this is years before i even heard of the law of one.

looking back, i can see how well everything was orchestrated, and nothing was left for random chance.

yes, there is a symphony going on in this planet, and it is loud and clear. the symphony of the frying pan in d major! :d i do pray that we can move on to the symphony of healing soon.

[Prosocorneliay]

hey mell...

if you enjoy smoking why do you want to quit? because you have been told it is bad? is that your belief or something you have come to believe is true. i'd question that. if i smoked i'd enjoy the hell out of it.

if you fight smoking you only empower its hold on you. it feels much better to embrace it and enjoy it. your body will love you more for enjoying it than resiting it and smoking anyway. that sends a message to your body that it is a bad thing ... and this is where the body will reflect that back to you.

once you make friends with smoking, you might just be surprised if it doesn't let go of you, rather than you letting go of it. that never works. we can't let go of anything we are fighting. it sticks to us like glue. that is all addiction ever is ... well in my opinion anyway.

[reiruviartugs]

hey mellissa,

don't be so hard on yourself! it must be difficult to give up the nicotine - i see so many people battling it - but sometimes we all need some little crutch to help us over the bumps - at least it's not some harder, more expensive drugs you are addicted to! it is admirable to want to be perfect but i don't think it's an obligation or a necessity for the leap into 4d - do you?! i bet you are a kind and loving soul much, much more than 51% of the time?!

since my crash in '00 (and going back to the crash in '98 that sadly ended my son's life) - i've pretty well been addicted to food and online shopping - these are my comfort things - although since i am no longer working and living on my salaried pension i can't really afford to be eating and buying too much - i am in debt (mortgaged my house again) and so be it...i feel fortunate and thankful to have as much as i do...

most especially i am grateful for my spiritual growth and access to information and friends on this website - these have saved my life because i now know that there is a plan (that i helped to make!) and so i am trying to hang on and do what i came to do...help us all to move on over into the next dimension of light and love (where my loved ones will be waiting - son, sister, dad, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, friends - can't hardly wait to be with them all again!)

what makes me saddest right now is seeing the pain and suffering in the world - i can empathise with bereaved mothers especially - even though i know it is part of the 'frying pan' plan - it is hard to watch...but what can we do except project our love to all parts of our oneness? and i think part to this too is to love ourselves as much as others - despite what we see as our 'faults' - don't you think??

thank you again foo - for prompting more thoughts and healing on this subject - i am glad that you have survived all your traumas to be here with your wisdom and love to share as well....!!

with love to all,

kathy