[Zaebal]

does anyone feel the way i do on the whole topic of ascension?

first let me state i’m not a debunker or skeptic. i’m just like everyone else here – trying to raise my consciousness on this topic.

- i've "intellectualized" most of the ascension information over the period of a few years - ra material lofo and it's spinoffs, project camelot info, ufology, eliteology, david’s work, and many teachers works and channeling’s. first started out as curiosity but then discovered it was a personal quest for my own knowing of a "truth". at first i found most of this stuff fascinating and could not get enough, but always careful to "test" the information to my own personal standards of truth.

as time went on i started to be able to see this information on a few levels:

1. disinformation (creative egoic information), some of this comes out of
mass consciousness and gets diluted by repeat and relay; but some of
this comes from an egoic entity (can be a person or group) with the
intention of self-purpose (attention, self-worth, money). not credible.

2. common - general ideas, principles which get repeated in multiple
channels of information (teachers, spiritual references, channeling’s).
somewhat credible.

3. familiar yet forgotten - you know that feeling like you have a deep
understanding of some principle but can't quite express or explain the
"what" and "why" of it? feels like infinite intelligence and surprising that
i sense this from right brain. highly credible.


recently i was pondering all of this and came up with these thoughts and just wondered if anyone else has had similar thoughts.

- most of this information is "delivered" and presented to us in a way that our current filter and consciousness can understand on this realm. this may not be how this information is "known" in the higher realms. therein lies some opportunities for each of us to have the flexibility to take this information and make it our own - knowing our own version of "the truth".

- the “truth” as we define it - may be a paradox in infinite intelligence. there is no singular, finite “truth” for us to seek, therefore perhaps shift your focus to an “openness” paradigm. this is what i feel the “seeking” leads us to when approached in the light of love.

- i read these, and other boards, and one of the most common queries is "what do i need to do in order to (insert personal quest)". and there are volumes of posts about this. this is natural - it's our way of seeking and understanding from mostly left-brain perspective - what all of this means in the now and in the perceived creation of future. it feels like it is becoming less important “to do” something rather than “to have thought” about these things.

- the consciousness of ascension may lead us to a co-created “ascension” based on free will. we may control the version through thought. there are some fantastic versions out there – some fear based, some are intellectual based, some spiritual, some religious, some are discovery based. can there be multiple versions and manifestations? would not an infinite intelligence paradigm allow the limitless? i wish we knew these answers – but we don’t and won’t since the truth is a paradox.

- i’ve really embraced the areas in these “concepts” where things just cannot be explained. for example in the ra material – there is the discussion of “mystery” or the law of confusion to “explain” or “preserve” the limits of our understanding for our highest good. at first i just thought of these as information boundaries – but looking deeper they appear to be elements of an infinite intelligence – a natural occurrence that in this dimension cannot be validated by logic – illogical and perceived as shielding truths. what if we embraced these (left brain – confusion) and (right brain – mystery) in our current filter? how or would that raise our consciousness? interesting.

anyways – i just felt compelled to out this out here and see what others thought. there is so much energy and thought out there right now – and increasing – around this topic and it is wonderful to have a place like this to have constructive dialogue without the “fear” crowd.

blessings and love,
qq

[Tapupah]

qq-

i greatly appreciate your thoughts on how we should approach this new paradigm in our lives. like you, i have explored the law of one series, project camelot, etc. i'd like to respond specifically to your three "levels" of information.

there is certainly quite a lot of creative egoism on the internet, but the common and familiar/forgotten/sublime information that we discover has a definite validity to it. in my opinion, the ra material and q'uo (loo), presents consistent information that i can not find false. i sense that your post is implying that there is not truth, only confusion for us in third density. i must disagree with that idea because, while there is naturally much confusion, truth is palpable. it is the familiar/forgotten/sublime information that we sense, it is faith in our deepest sense, and it is unconditional love of others because we are one. all of the rest of the ra material and q'uo, and our whole spiritual journey build upon this basic truth of existence.

your doubt is understandable, but your search for truth is, and will be, fruitful. if i may suggest, i recommend beginning to meditate, if you haven't already, and begin the deeper search of self. this search will eventually bring you to the truth you are seeking.

peace and love in the light,
e.j.

[Zaebal]

hi ej -

i too agree that carla's channelings are authentic. when i read channeled information - i always look at it with an open perspective - meaning some resonates and some may not.

that may just be that i'm not ready or evolved to accept the things that don't resonate or perhaps they are colored by the channels personality and beliefs that don't align with mine. i don't view this as judgement - just seeking my truths and bringing in light as it comes.

i think where you might sense some skeptiscm - is really my concern when i see many that regard information from any channel as "the absolute truth". or in other words - ok- this is the truth that i'm adopting and will live with this as my absolute guiding principles. having been around this stuff for awhile - i see where certain people "close down" their openess or ability to expand their consciouness because that have chosen a discourse like a prescription for their lives.

isn't this one of the roots of what we may call "religion"? - which in my opinion is an old 3d construct on its way out for the 4d'ers!

seeking is part of what we do. i think of it as the motivator that brings us to the light. in infinite intelligence - the seeking can never be concluded - as the intelligence changes and expands. it's a paradox in this dimension - but perhaps not in higher realms. that is why i have learned that seeking is part of the journey - and staying open is one of the keys to mastery.

these comments are not directed at ll research/carla. but as an example - if you study the 80's ra material and compare it to todays qu'o - you will see that much has evolved and been refined. it's changing and expanding as it should.

blessings & light -
qq

[Tapupah]

qq-
thanks for your clarification. i strongly agree with your position, now that i see it more clearly. it is a common occurrence for people to commit to material as the absolute truth. that is unfortunate, yet it can be a good catalyst for experience.

on another note, i am quite intrigued by the "evolution" and "refinement" that is happening with q'uo in contrast to ra. hopefully, david will help us more fully understand the picture that this refinement is unveiling.

peace and love in the light,
e.j.