[icedrakona]

it would seem, to me, that the only time i am moved to add anything to the discussion here is to bring something to the attention of everyone to get some feedback about. if that be so, then, so be it. every group needs someone who helps the others check in with themselves.

as we begin to take strides into this new sense of being, unsure of the way ahead, yet excited about the possibilities, i have made it my part to ask questions about what we may be experiencing and feeling along the way. in truth, i don't believe that we are experiencing anything that hasn't been experienced by those who have followed this path for us from times past. the path to enlightenment is littered with corpses. some laid down by choice, others, the cost of the journey. let us never lose sight of just how real this journey can be. we can express it as a joyful journey, and indeed it is. it is a dance that begins with a simple tap of the feet to the beat and rhythm of life.
you'll have to forgive me that one, i just got finished watching "happy feet" and i couldn't resist.

however, i feel, that there is a point along the path to enlightenment that speaks to the heart of what we may be experiencing and learning from the lo1 material. this is where i find myself and i will put the question to the group.

"has anyone experienced the feeling of loss of faith and borderline disgust with humanity? have you experienced the lack of patience, dismay and overall feeling of pointlessness with serving humanity?"

take your time. let that question sink in. . . .i'll wait. i believe this is what i call "the crisis of service" phase in walking an enlightened path. even jesus showed exasperation with humanity, "he answereth him and saith, o faithless generation, how long shall i be with you? how long shall i suffer you. . . ?" mk. 9:19. with any enlightenment, there comes perception and vision, into self and into mankind. how many of you have run up against the "density of man?" a pigheadedness, so thick, that it defies reason? the perception that you know they know better, but refuse to change or do the right thing? how many of you have experienced that within yourselves? i have, and do. it doesn't make it any better. it just pisses me off. can you see the dilemma here?

it is my feeling that many of us can lose our way at this point. i believe many have. the temptation at this point is to see oneself as superior because they can see this reality of mankind. to set ourselves apart as better than and to adopt a spirit of disdain for our fellows. it is difficult to serve from this perspective. it is the beginning of service to self. herein lies the trap.

[Smalmslobby]

aahhh yes, i know of what you speak. now, i am not stating that i know everything, and, even though i have been called "deep" and "wise" doesnt change the fact that i have much, much to learn, or remember. i observe others and wonder, why can they not see? but, then i remeber, i was once too in their shoes, so to speak. what keeps me going is the fact that we are all part of the infinate all and we are all on our own path towards the prime creator. i do find myself getting aggravated at times, and i chalk that up to me getting aggravated at myself. one thing that i have learned is, for the most part, from my perspective, if there is something that one doesnt like about the other person, it is usually a reflection of one's self ... especially in relationships.

so, all i can do is send out vibrations of love, peace, compassion, honesty, honor, and harmony. everything is as it is and it is good. we, as "individuals" see good or bad due to this dualistic perspective we have in this linear reality. but, this is just what i have gathered. all i can do is be a worker of love/light and be a servant of the divine plan of the prime creator ... even in our so called "hard times". = )

[zibTefapparia]

hi

i don't supress these feelings. i know i have them and they stem also from a harsh upbringing where my ability to analyze and try to understand why pple were doing these horrible things to me, turned into dispise. but there were also pple doing wonderful things, being supportive etc, but they never told the truth, or couldn't or didn't dare to.

then i remember myself doing really nasty things, i've not always known what i know now etc, i also was unconscious, afraid to say what i thought of fear for being rejected and outcast etc.

i allow myself to say "stupid idiots, they just live in denial" i don't want to see them anymore....but then i ask the universe for forgivness, i have flaws too, being disdainful is not a beautiful trait; it's understandable as a psychological defencemechanism from childhood, but becomes destructive if you let it rule your adult life. but it's better to acknowledge it; otherwise you supress it and it will be even more destructive, what you don't acknowledge, you can't change.

liliane

[ultramDoctoo]

of course i have felt 'disgust' with my fellow man, but they are just a reflection of us so it's better to figure out ways to not be so disgusted.

i mean there are things i'm working on in my personal space, things that once i was disgusted at but now have made a conscious effort to improve upon, and since the world is a reflection of me, as i change for the better, the world changes for the better.

so, improving upon what you don't like about yourself is a good step i'd say!

[Blolover11]

hi dihlon,

this was a very insightful post. i don't so often feel this way, but today i am struggling with it.

it is so easy to be brought down. we are delicate, and our hold upon newly won spiritual territory is delicate indeed.

in general, i'd say my path in the past several years is to grow in unconditional love for humanity, and it has brought me great and unexpected joy.

but tonight, some other people in my house had a tv program on about the history of torture, and the ingenious devices of torture, esp from the inquisition. i became disheartened by its ubiquitousness in history. i watched it for a bit. probably shouldn't have. i almost never watch tv and very few movies. i can't fathom how people watch endless crime dramas and violence when it upsets me so much. i believe it is bad for the soul and irresponsible to watch that kind of thing. spiritually irresponsible, like not paying one's bills on time or being chronically late to work, or not changing the oil in your car.

then i logged on here and some people were gushing about the obama yes we can video, and it's not that i don't like him. i might even bother to vote for him just to help break the clinton-bush dynasty. it's just that it is highly unlikely he is really any better and it is so silly for people to be influenced by a feel-good, slick little video like that when he probably never says anything of substance. (i wouldn't know, as i have never listened to him.) but ron paul, now, he said things of substance.

i mean, remember those "coke: it's the real thing" ads from a few years back? they made us all feel good. but they were about coca cola!

obama probably hired that firm to create his video.

americans are a silly, silly people.

[addyta.org]

if i feel frustrated with someone, or "humanity" , i know it's me, not them. they are my thoughts, my feelings, coming from me. there is no way i can judge anyone else, when i just have to honestly look at myself and know that it's all in me too. i may see things a certain way, and for example the people in this forum see things similarly, but does that make it necessarily true? it's only true for us, at this time, subject to change, always change.

not judging seems to be an important focus right now. sometimes i get into the trap of judging someone who is judgemental. i don't believe in evil or the dark side. it's just a point of view. those who are so called evil think that they are right, from their point of view.

to me evil is a thought created entity, covered with judgement. judgement is a form of resistance, and resistance creates pain. i don't pretend evil doesn't exist, but it is self created and is of the mind. if confronted with an attack i will react like anybody else, but in thinking about it later (if i'm still alive) i will focus on what i could have done better in that situation, not how dare they do that to me.

that all sounds so idealistic, and i'm a long way away from being that perfected enlightened being, but it's all fun and just a game anyway. why be so serious?

[rJohutozsfds]

if i feel frustrated with someone, or "humanity" , i know it's me, not them. they are my thoughts, my feelings, coming from me. there is no way i can judge anyone else, when i just have to honestly look at myself and know that it's all in me too. i may see things a certain way, and for example the people in this forum see things similarly, but does that make it necessarily true? it's only true for us, at this time, subject to change, always change.

that is extremely well put, larissa!
it seems to be our tendency to project all responsibility outward. especially in the u.s. if you spill your coffee and burn yourself, just sue mcdonalds; if your medicine doesn't work as expected, sue the doctors or the drugmakers; if you get drunk and crash your car and possibly kill somebody, you can always sue the bartender, etc.

the world is your mirror, it is merely showing you those places within you that need to be healed. there is no thing outside of you that can ever disturb your peace, that does not have its roots within you. the hawaiians have a pretty cool method to deal with this. just google hooponopono for more info.

[ulw7A8Po]

it is my feeling that many of us can lose our way at this point. i believe many have. the temptation at this point is to see oneself as superior because they can see this reality of mankind. to set ourselves apart as better than and to adopt a spirit of disdain for our fellows. it is difficult to serve from this perspective. it is the beginning of service to self. herein lies the trap. i hear you man. and i would be lying if i said i never felt some disdain for this world. frankly, i am often sick and tired of this place. but you know better. i think you would be doing a great disservice to yourself by giving in to the dark side now, in the final hour.

they have lost their way. the veil is too thick and they are walking in the dark.

forgive them lord, because they know not what they do.