[jamemeveRhype]

what i am picturing is a reversed fibonacci spiral that counts down from a larger number to 0. on a small scale, for instance, 8 counting down to 0 would be 8, 5, 3, 2, 1, 1, 0 . so, if you started at, say 10000 bce somewhere and counted down in reverse, it would end in what i just wrote. translating that down to dates such as years and months and days would give you bifurcation points in which something significant occurs. does that make sense? chris

[addyta.org]

are you guys speaking english? can i get a translation?

[Anydayhybeall]

chris,
yes, you can figure such with a number of geometric progressions but i still don’t see the mechanical logic as to why time would increase/decrease in such a manner if so many factors are personal and therefore unknown. i do think there are multiple time lines in all realities, both personal and collective. many talk of a collective bifurcation in the mid to late 1930s wherein war was avoided but it lead to greater problems of a stronger ‘matrix’. there was even posting of a guy from that ‘time line’. for the greater picture of the collective decisions i always go back to a seth book by jane roberts, the psychology of mass events. (if not exact title, it is near.) so again i do see predictive outside energy shifts such as galactic center but still don’t know on what david based his concept that time will increase in any specific geometric progression. that it will (‘effect end’) increase i see for sure, more ‘creators’ becoming more powerful.
by the way…, there is some moderator that i owe an apology to, perhaps it was you. i meant to answer the moderator when he attempted to answer my kozyrev question. was about more information on emotional changes creating discrete changes in time flow. was alluded to in psychic discoveries behind iron curtain. moderator said i should read divine cosmos. i have, i do. not there. i started getting translations from us printing office of kozyrev in about 1980. in late 1990, (1999?) was in touch with russians who were going to put all of his stuff on web. don’t see any of that. at any rate forgot to reply to reply and the message slipped away.
m
(note to larissa: the first five chapters of divine cosmos have much related material.)

[Anydayhybeall]

group,
david's 2012 video was passed to me and was able to view on wife's computer.
the biggest thing about it was david's positive attitude across the wide range of subjects including those often viewed negatively by others.
though many of the new science info was in the early chapters of divine cosmos some things were not. i was struck by the golden ration progression (re time) as we head toward 2012. personally i can see a geometric progression which can be viewed in two ways. as kozrev demonstrates- time is an energy dense at the effect, less dense (slower) at the cause(s). this means there will be two geometric progressions as consciousness increases. 1- more effects and time (clocks) running faster. (they are re: official 'navy' clocks adding seconds to year etc.) 1- a geometric progression of time decreasing, (i.e. moving toward 'out-of-time'/eternity), for those becoming more 'creators'.

however, in the video, (as i understood it), the progression was specific to the golden ratio. i have been through divine cosmos many times and did not see that. does anyone know what the reference was that the progression referred to in the video was "...golden ratio..."? if so exactly what is that based on?

there are some both mathematical and 'mechanical' golden ratio progressions. however, most geometric progressions measured are not. same with spirals, only some are golden ratio.

i am familiar with the golden ratio in many forms, icosahedron, pentagonal, pentagram, etc. that is 'just math'. i can also see the necessity of that ratio being at least some part of any 'reality shift', (such as falling asleep - waking up, etc). the dynamics of those shifts, (of which golden ratio must always be a factor), is in some writing referred to as "rapture repose" ('clarity group'). in that there is a limit of reality shift types, (24), but the ratio is the same. at least so far there is no mention of any sort of geometric progression in that discussion one way or another.

if there is not a specific reference is there some logic or sequence of thinking that led to that conclusion?
michael

[jamemeveRhype]

however, in the video, (as i understood it), the progression was specific to the golden ratio. i have been through divine cosmos many times and did not see that. does anyone know what the reference was that the progression referred to in the video was "...golden ratio..."? if so exactly what is that based on?

there are some both mathematical and 'mechanical' golden ratio progressions. however, most geometric progressions measured are not. same with spirals, only some are golden ratio. hello michael,

i do believe he was discussing a fibonacci spiral as an imploding one down to 0. that was my take anyhow. chris

[Anydayhybeall]

hummmm….
thanks, chris.
very related. spirals approximate and golden ratio is limit (successive terms) of not just fibonacci but many such numeric progressions and/or spirals. i got ‘golden ratio’ as type of geometric progression toward 2012 (with therein a ‘wall’…? technical math limit?). did not hear fibonacci as the ratio giving the geometric progression of time. however, in either case, (fibonacci or golden ratio), my question (including clarification of fibonacci aspect) is still more how can this geometric increase have any known ratio?
if you take any cycle with a division of 12 there will be golden ratios. 2012 relates to alignment with earth to galaxy center. therein the golden ratio
would relate to such a marker from the outside. however the progression of increase, (or again in one aspect – decrease), in time would be subject to many individual decisions and therefore irregular. (just my not-set-in-stone present thought.)

i do not believe in chaos theory, (ugh, ugh, ugh, lol), but i do see one of the common visuals used in that theory as helpful in this discussion. a wave has regular and therefore measurable patterns that can be measured even if increasing or decreasing in height, wind, current, for sake of discussion, being factors. however a known limit can be reached such as the wave cresting and foaming wherein something else happens, (sort of like the ‘wall’ david was referring to re: 2012): it ‘breaks/crests’. at that point it is not ‘chaos’ but usually going in other directions beyond measuring, (like every drop of foam etcetera as wave ‘breaks’). now, the wall itself can be predicted as major outside forces such as alignment to galaxy center or known height-of-wave/wind ratio. what i cannot see as having a specific ratio is the progression of time, (again either way), leading up to the ‘wall/breaking’ having a known ratio as it is a combination of many individual decisions.

so i want to know more exactly what the thinking was that led to david’s remark. i do not mind in one bit if it was not ‘scientific/mathematical’ just to know what it was. i did get the impression that he was being specific and exact and not ‘pulling-it-out-of-nowhere’.

sort of a side note but even the nytimes has noted that humans are going through an, (their word, not mine, lol), “…alarming…” rate of increasing mutation. this would therefore need be some sort of geometric progression also and as ‘unconscious’ perhaps geometric/regular and therefore measurable. david made some remarks regarding dna also and there i can see golden ratio involved. in many cases the smaller the life forms the greater the dna. but is now known that single celled organisms will communicate information worldwide within a matter of months, (as per lynn mctaggart and susan joy rennison’s works). as we are symbiotic with single celled life forms, (our intestines and such), they serve that function for us also. life such as insects can gather information over vast periods of time. they are like vw ‘bugs’, simply tuning up a known design. therefore the ‘group souls’ such as roaches that survive anything, (first to come back after nukes), are in another form of constant, (but very different), mutation and compared to them we humans, no matter how far back we think we have gone, it is nanoseconds vs. eons. (note mantis is a type of roach as per ‘lucid dreaming’ thread below).
still intrigued and want to know exact thought process that led to david’s very pointed remark regarding the progression.
but thanks, chris. the synchronicty of mentioning fabonacci was helpful for something else.
michael