[addyta.org]

thanks, rhonda, for the beautiful excerpt on love. one of those things i'll have to keep coming back to.

[Flefebleaft]

dear friends,

more from deepak. so what do you think?

http://www.intentblog.com/archives/2...ve_be_a_c.html

be well, be love.

david

[DebtDetox]

jesus new commendment
st john 13:34

a new commandment i give unto you, that ye love one another; as i have loved you, that ye also love one another

call it the 11th or 13:34 = 11 (1+3+3+4)

[SpeavaJap]

do you think love understands a commandement?

[ricochettty]

dear friends,

more from deepak. so what do you think?

it can be, but it will not be natural or true.
you can not force true love on a being of free will anymore than we can force a flower to blossom.
we can of course help to guide it's path and degree and even it's speed of unfoldment,...but commanding love would be akin to attempting to rip open a flower bud with your fingers in order to get the flower out before it happened naturally.

[BigBobdd]

actually love sums up all of god's commandments. if you have love, you wouldn't steal, kill, lie, hold envy, or be unfaithful to your spouse. if you have love, you would also be faithful to god too. doing good through love means it comes from the heart and it's not just merely trying to look good.

[DebtDetox]

rockyrojas88, i agree

when we are at that place in our hearts, that is truly love, we are at
the center and are balanced individuals.

love the flower blooming example

a little more on 11 or eleven

eleven
el = god also
even (balanced)

i have always viewed 11:11 as a balancer

balance: definition
webster: having two scales
an instrument for weighing, especially one with two matched
scales hanging from either end of a poised lever; scales

- can we view ourselfs as equal to one another, not above or below
- when balanced, no scales, measurements or comparison is needed, we just are
- love holds equal weight
- 7 chakras, heart is the 4th, the center of upper (5,6,7) / lower self (1,2,3)
thus the center

more to think about:

one: definition
1. being a single thing (love). 2. characterized by unity; as with one accord.
3. designating a person or thing as contrasted with another. 5. singel in kind;
the same

[ZZtop]

i have to say absolutely not. love cannot be a commandment. for one example, i have had girlfriends in the past that, when we were breaking up, one of us would try to force the issue and force the other person to love the other one. it didn't work. in fact after a while it built resentment for the other person.

i think that is why in the loo it says that the 10 commandments were negative, even though moses was largely a loving, positive entity.

you cannot force anyone to do anything they don't want to, in my humble opinion of course.

[BigBobdd]

true. love is a voluntary choice. you can't force someone to love.

[DebtDetox]

a few years ago, i read this from a wonderful book while searching for what spoke to me on love. i hope you enjoy. from star man: (not the book) pm for name

screaming hawk, patton boyle (shamanic warrior and christian converge)

i did not believe that god is love. how can one love an organizing force, a power? perhaps god was more than a force or power in the universe.

you think love is something that it is not. you identify love with your feelings. because of that you think love is a feeling. it is not.

you do not understand that love is commitment. that love is profound commitment not with the mind but with the heart. you do not love with the mind. you love with the heart, but you do not feel with the heart. love is on a deeper level than feelings.

you can not always detect it with your feelings. that has caused much confusion for your people. they think that they must feel something when love is encountered. sometimes they do. sometimes they do not. your people do not understand that love is a dimension like time or space. it is what is. love is what is. it is behind all creation. creation came forth out of that dimension. creation expresses love but is not itself love; it is love put into action.

"love is what is". love is the deepest dimension. you do not create it.
because you feel things that you associate with love, you think that it is your
love. you can not create love within yourself. you can create some things but you can not create love. in its purest form it is encountered on the level of silence. beneath matter and energy and all things that can be encountered in physical or spiritual realm is love. love is the basic element behind all that is.

when love comes in its purest form people do not recognize it because they are expecting it to be something else. you want love to make you feel good. sometimes it does; sometimes it doesn't. you want love to make you feel good about yourself; but sometimes it reveals things that you do not like about yourself. love always draws one back, into deeper levels of oneself, towards one's beginnings or onward, into new areas, towards one's end. love is the beginning and the end. love is the essence out of which all things come and towards which all things go. it is the elemental essence of the universe. as you encounter it you are changed; you must be changed; for love is constantly in transition and yet always the same.

remember the words. but remember also that the truth is not in the words themselves it is in he silence between the words. in the silence love speaks.

re-member, you are already love, so is everyone else you encounter. life and our experiences challenge us to or from love, but we are all love.

peace and good will to all !

[Kneedycrype]

dear rhonda,

thanks so much for shaing that exerpt on love... i'm keeping that definition close to my heart. it's so true you know, we as humans most typically identify love with our feelings and most usually expect it to feel "good". but as your post metioned; what about "tough" love, the pain that love can bring to us at times and the strength behind it as well? the movies and romance novels typically define it as "roses, chocolates, and undying passion", but we must remember the "whole" of true love: "[i]profound commitment with the heart.[i]"

wonderful.

[Paiblyelaxy]

commandment such as 'thou shalt love'?

then no, because everybody loves things already, people love to win, they love to eat, they love to take a healthy dump. it's too generic as i wrote it so we would need to define what type of love is being commanded i suppose.

[avaiptutt]

wouldn't any sort of a commandment be a violation of free will?

i've always felt that the 10 commandments in the bible were more a list of moral and ethical guidelines on which to base your life.

love is a commitment, not a commandment. you need to commit to loving yourself and your other selves unconditionally and with all your heart and most definately of your own free will in order to truly experience love.

certainly, it cannot be commanded of you to do so.

[KneefeZes]

dazcox is right about the vagueness of our word love, at least in english. yes, even lower chakra desire and power lust is covered.

i think practically everyone feels the heart-love impulse, the bonding feeling on a personal level. so why isn't there world peace, etc.? because that requires some higher input, from the chakra associated with honor (thyroid?). that's the basis of making the progression to sto.

this progress to higher love is not without some cost at the personal level.

look at the gospels, where jesus is told his mother and brothers are outside and would like a word with him. (matt. 12:46-49, mark 3:31-35, luke 8:19-21) he famously replies,

"who is my mother and who are my brothers?" and stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "behold my mother and my brothers! for whoever does the will of my father who is in heaven, he is my brother and sister and mother."

talk about a smart alek remark! how many mothers (or wives!) that you know would take that kind of lip without giving the son/husband at least an earful -- possibly before the meeting was done?

then there's this:

"do not think that i came to bring peace on the earth; i did not come to bring peace, but a sword. for i came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. he who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. and he who does not take his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me. he who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for my sake will find it." (matthew 10:34-39 nasb)

he is teaching not about making war (that's misusing his metaphor), but about the conflict that arises when one chooses universal love over personal loyalty. to be motivated by loyalty with no higher principle is to have the same level of morality as a gangster. sometimes the word "commitment" is used as a blunt weapon in these matters, when others are calling in their chips. but god is no respecter of persons, as cayce often said (quoting peter in acts 10:34).

jesus often said his truths in the most stark ways, as if for shock value. this was a rhetorical technique long used by the philosophers called the cynics. they were not people who took a dim view of human goodness (modern usage) but they did take a dim view of human convention. jesus' expression "be in the world but not of it" is very much in their line of thinking.

[rJohutozsfds]

if you have love, you wouldn't steal, kill, lie, hold envy, or be unfaithful to your spouse. if you have love, you would also be faithful to god too.

don't forget that according to ra, all those 'thou shalt not' commandments came from a sts negative entity. i suspect that yahweh/jehovah was well aware of the power of suggestion, and the idea that you get what you focus on, so he gave them a focus of killing, cheating, lying, stealing, etc.

[DebtDetox]

love is the balancer !

it can be, but it will not be natural or true.
you can not force true love on a being of free will anymore than we can force a flower to blossom.
we can of course help to guide it's path and degree and even it's speed of unfoldment,...

another rocky...
actually love sums up all of god's commandments. if you have love, you wouldn't steal, kill, lie, hold envy, or be unfaithful to your spouse. if you have love, you would also be faithful to god too. doing good through love means it comes from the heart and it's not just merely trying to look good.

the 11 commandments are not written by man, but by god. what moses received was the word of god, which had, and still has the force of law.

lets not forget that you are gods yourself, kings and queens yourself. not one person is above another. without laws, not man made laws, but laws that speaks to you and every other heart, the very core of each life, we would have chaos. i ~ is that not what is today? ~ chaos, rulers, unjustness and war rather than peace.

we live by the laws of man, rather than the laws of god. we give our power
away to another that we the people have granted higher status of these. yet, the law of god, is equal to all. it is not written for 1 nation, nor 1 king/queen, it is written for each and every living being that uses the word to communicate.

perhaps we should use our heart to communicate.

living by the law is the harder part. who is going to enforce it? you, as
loving being, children of god. not judging, not stealing, not killing, because in
truth, if you did, you are acting against the god force of us all. rather than
co-creating unity, you are creating for your own self.

yes, we all have free will, to accept what commitment in our life is exceptable. listen to your heart, within the silence, what does your heart repeat, say to you ?

find your love and put love into action !


how the law of god came to us

the bible tells us that god gave his law to moses engraved upon tablets of stone. by this we know that it is from the hand of the heavenly father, and the enduring stone on which it was written is clear symbol that his law is permanent and eternal.
"and he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commmandments"
(ex. 34:28)

they are a summin gup of the natural law which god put in men/women's hearts and minds. they have been written out so that they many ever be before us, and we may become doers, as well as hearers of god's law. (rom 2:12-15)

[SpeavaJap]

you know what i would realy love ! to see videos like this with david's toughts.. . .

i'll celebrate this wanting with music
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hqqolq5c2c