[SkHukV3N]

i read that souls can actually go so far down in vibration of energy and actually cease to exist if they want to.

...of course, that wouldn't be a nice thing to do


it isn't an original idea though. i was taught this kind of idea (annihilationism) in the seventh-day-adventist church
(unlike most christians, they don't believe god would keep people living forever in misery). this is basically the alternative to choosing eternal life...no life at all! of course, this is not encouraged though. they want to be resurrected back to life and live in a new earth after jesus returns. the new earth, they say, will be like eden, only better...

the idea of course is much older than that because ancient hebrews also believed in a mortal soul. they believe that a soul (nephesh) comes to exist after god breathes his spirit into a body of clay.. this idea was translated into greek bible as psyche (the mind). in this belief, awareness depends on the spirit of life, just as the body depends on breath. i've heard that before "the fall" of humans (in awareness?), the atmosphere was richer in oxygen, thus causing creatures (including humans) to become gigantic and could live forever. it's also said that animals were vegitarian and never harmed anyone. after "the fall", people lost good judgement and became violent and many animals had to turn to eating meat. the "sons of god", the first born sons of seth, were the closest in awareness of god, yet all but enoch died of old age. the ones that did die are said to have believed that they would soon be resurrected back to life after christ comes to earth to defeat "sin" (what ever causes lower awareness) and death in our sinful flesh. what christ did was free us from annihilation after death. we still die of course, but in christ we are only "sleeping". as i mentioned ealier, adventists, like most christians, teach that the soul can choose not to have eternal life. the biblical jesus did say we have a choice between eternal life or death. so it's said that the "unpardonable sin" is to willfully ignore higher awareness without regrets and or thinking one has gone to far down to go back up (this decision is made before death of course because this belief assumes there is no awareness at "death"). 1000 years after christ returns again to take his people to heaven (the dead are resurrected) with immortal bodies, all those who had the mark of the beast (they willfully closed the spiritual eye?) are left on earth "asleep" and then after the 1000 years have their life reviewed, are annihilated, lucifer and his angels (all the fallen beings christians call demons) are annihilated, and the earth is cleansed. that's where the new eerth comes in. phew!.....that was a long one!

you'd be surprised that there are many non-christian that are comforted by the idea of ceasing to exist because since many of them don't really appreciate this life and want to get it over with and they'd feel miserable living on forever because of fear of boredom!. many of them just don't see they joy in living in a "heavenly" atmosphere where you can no longer degrade life itself or be entertained by such acts. this attitude is a result of not seeing meaning to life.

ancient judaic-christian (without the pagan influence of rome) has say the meaning of life can only be found in god since he's the one who made it. after the church went "papal", then some strange ideas came into the church of sunday worship and immortality of the soul in hell....which sure tainted the original christian theology made people senslessly afraid of death.

many of those who ask for the meaning of "life" don't know that the question also applies to "life" eternally.
the irony is that most who ask the question may not really care for life eternally, which means they're asking for the meaning of a dying life.

[nabsgood]

yes, the loo material has said that a sufficiently negative polarization that fails to transmute into positive at 6th density graduation will be re-absorbed into the whole.

[moderator note: even those so 'absorbed' do not lose themselves, as there is only one identity, to begin with; to lose one would be to lose all...not gonna happen; there is no unpardonable sin, only a sometimes rocky road..no soul can lose it's identity]

[viiagrag]

i read that souls can actually go so far down in vibration of energy and actually cease to exist if they want to.
...of course, that wouldn't be a nice thing to do

it isn't an original idea though. i was taught this kind of idea (annihilationism) in the seventh-day-adventist church
(unlike most christians, they don't believe god would keep people living forever in misery).
.

hi, rocky,

in general, christian theology -- in all its various shapes and shades -- just doesn't mesh with the philosophy of religion which is supposedly the universe of discourse here on the divine cosmos site...(bet you didn't read all the fine print in the "must read before posting" info that you signed off on.
don't worry, we gave up burning at the stake in favor of public embarrasment ( i should talk...i didn't either)

the general christian view of god and creation is that there is a vast gulf of separation between god essence and mere humans. god is god and the cosmos and humans are sorta made out of universal play dough stuff brought into existence via a creation ex nihilo ... an omnipotent power of creation out of nothing -- that must be maintained moment to moment !! --yielding a very tenuous connnection/relationship between the divine cause and somehow a non-divine effect.

the ra material we study (see the ra material study guide ) gives a quite radically different picture of god --as the one creator/cosmos.

in short, the cosmos is an extension of actual "god-stuff". god is the cosmos. on a superficial level this is pantheism, but a higher conception is that the cosmos is not god since the quality of god transcends a limited identity with the finite physical. this view is called panentheism...which implies that the sum is greater than the parts... and better fits the hint of a concept given in the bible that god is both immanent and transcendent.

a variety of christian thought that has a similarity to what we find in the ra philosophy is called "process theology" ... whereas god is not the grecian idea of an immovable, unchangeably perfect know-it-all from beginning-to-end kind of etheric marble statue... who somehow still manages enough emotion to get p****d when his little creatures go off the rails and try to do their own thing; rather the idea that makes better sense is that god is continually learning through exploring his extended cosmic self via his human extensions, which are ably designed to do just that. we are here to explore and disclose all potential nooks and crannies enfolded in the grand creation. that is our reason for being, and obviously a very important job.

think! since all is god, god ain't gonna lose parts of himself ...lose them just where? that kind of god suicidal dumbness is logically impossible! all in the creation is equally valuble and prized and "loved" beyond any possible conception...even the seemingly nasty parts are just as immeasurably valuable. really.

there have been cases where the "human" soul substance has been seriously damaged. it is stated that atomic explosions do rip and tear the fabric of space time and thus have a terrible effect on the immediate victims ... those rendered apart by such an explosion take a great deal of tender, extended care and rehabilitation before they are once again consciously functional (on spiritual planes)

so, very roughly, the reality is that we are divine sparks of the one creator, and we are very well-tended, and our existence protected no matter how dire and disasterous the personal circumstances may seem on this earth plane of 3d (third density) tribulations.

i tried real hard...billybobbutterball, esq.

[UlceskLialels]

bbb.

your thoughts are a pleasure to read.

[SkHukV3N]

what about the soul's free will? what if just doesn't want to exist and doesn't care much of life?
can't a a soul choose not to exist or atleast forget it's idenity (to rediscover it or make a new one) if it were to become miserable in extreme boredom? they'd probably be especially bored if they enjoyed degrading life or being entertained by it. i've met people online that have questioned if eternal life will bore people into wanting to just cease to exist....what can i tell them?

[allemnendup]

what about the soul's free will? what if just doesn't want to exist and doesn't care much of life?
can't a a soul choose not to exist or atleast forget it's idenity (to rediscover it or make a new one) if it were to become miserable in extreme boredom? they'd probably be especially bored if they enjoyed degrading life or being entertained by it. i've met people online that have questioned if eternal life will bore people into wanting to just cease to exist....what can i tell them?

to choose to forget our idenity is what we all done when we decided to exist in all our lives here on earth. we chose to forget who and what we really our in each incarnation we've had. but in time, we eventually remember what we chose to forget.

as for boredom or being miserable, it's all a state of mind. once you realize there's no such thing, misery or boredome cease to exist (in your mind that is)

one 66

[SkHukV3N]

lol i figured someone would say that. i'd feel sorry for souls though that remain stuck in a miserable state of mind though.

[rJohutozsfds]

it seems possible for an entity to cease to exist, but i don't think this could be done because someone was just plain tired of living.

ra said that when we dropped the big bomb, some entities would have been destroyed if the confederation had not intervened. if they had been destroyed it would have been a "loss to the creator".

it was so traumatic that they "have not yet fully begun the healing process."
ra. those who were destroyed, not by radiation, but by the trauma of the energy release, found not only the body/mind/spirit complex made unviable, but also a disarrangement of that unique vibratory complex you have called the spirit complex, which we understand as a mind/body/spirit complex, to be completely disarranged without possibility of re-integration. this would be the loss to the creator of part of the creator and thus we were given permission, not to stop the events, but to ensure the survival of the, shall we say, disembodied mind/body/spirit complex. this we did in those events which you mention, losing no spirit or portion or holograph or microcosm of the macrocosmic infinite one.

[viiagrag]

what about the soul's free will? what if just doesn't want to exist and doesn't care much of life?
can't a a soul choose not to exist or atleast forget it's idenity (to rediscover it or make a new one) if it were to become miserable in extreme boredom? they'd probably be especially bored if they enjoyed degrading life or being entertained by it. i've met people online that have questioned if eternal life will bore people into wanting to just cease to exist....what can i tell them?

hi, rocky (the red?)

what actually constitutes the nature of free will is one of the most difficult theological/philosophical question to delineate satisfactorly. most people think they know what it is, and they got "it" ... but they really don't on both counts.

this free will question was expounded at length and lurks in the archives, but for some reason i can't locate the post that expounded the definition of free will in both its postive and negative aspects.

one simple attempt in describing free will is merely that of "thought having the potential of thinking within and upon itself." important vital point; the conditional state of free will is found in an internal state of mind rather than a condition dependant on some exterior action either accomplished or frustrated.

in my futile archive search i did find an associated discussion of free will, and i will post it to you privately.

about giving up and throwing in the towel. there are occasions mentioned in the ra literature where a "wanderer" has agreed to let the original soul bow out by taking over and carrying on. one notable case mentioned is that of abraham lincoln.

here is an overly simple illustration... in the "spirit world" the enthusiasm to accomplish a great deal in one's coming incarnation overcomes wisdom, with the end result being that one finds that they have bitten off more than he/she can chew; the trap being that the coming adventure seems so simple and easy to accomplish from the other side... that is, until one gets here and and finds themself confused and going around in frustrating circles. it is an inconvenience, but no big tragedy; from the viewpoint of eternity such a mishape is no big deal, and one merely gathers themself together for another, but hopefully a more carefully informed try.

my very best to you! suggest you take some time to study the the ra material study guide available on site.

billybobbutterballguy

[SkHukV3N]

hi, rocky (the red?)

....my very best to you! suggest you take some time to study the the ra material study guide available on site.

billybobbutterballguy

thanks, i'm definitely going to check out the ra material study guide..