[PyncGyncliacy]

is there a way to love each other and release each other at the same time, in tandem?

combining two sides of the coin into one?

i think this is all about combining duality into one.

we must love each other and release each other at the same time, to be free.

is this possible?

[addyta.org]

sounds good.......sounds great. what a lovely dream. but my personal opinion (for what it's worth) is that no, it is not possible at this time in this world in our present consciousness.

[Tuqofiw]

foosnik,

when you say releasing others,and loving others,aren't these two in the same?


i suppose it comes down to what your intentions are when you are loving someone,if you really love them,then encouraging them to release themselves is part of that love.

releasing yourself/loving yourself, and loving others/encouraging others to release themselves are all the same thing,because after all,we're all one!


i hope this relates to your op.


-lance

[PyncGyncliacy]

foosnik,

when you say releasing others,and loving others,aren't these two in the same?


i suppose it comes down to what your intentions are when you are loving someone,if you really love them,then encouraging them to release themselves is part of that love.

releasing yourself/loving yourself, and loving others/encouraging others to release themselves are all the same thing,because after all,we're all one!


i hope this relates to your op.


-lance

no. because the word love is so diluted and convoluted.

i mean, to love someone and allow that person to unfold, into who they are. but still love them at the same time.

still love them at the same time.

[PyncGyncliacy]

sounds good.......sounds great. what a lovely dream. but my personal opinion (for what it's worth) is that no, it is not possible at this time in this world in our present consciousness.

so the answer you are giving me is, "love it or lose it"?

i have to disagree with you here. my brother said the same thing, that human beings are just flawed. there is no way for peace at the present time.

but the present time is about to pass. and it won't be like this anymore, very soon.

so it is urgent for choices to be made right now.

which one do you want??

do you want to be together or not?

you are free to make your own decisions.

[Saqwnht]

no. because the word love is so diluted and convoluted.

i mean, to love someone and allow that person to unfold, into who they are. but still love them at the same time.

still love them at the same time.

i believe adding "unconditional" before the word "love" would suit your purpose here foo.

[allemnendup]

peace is in the moment. there is no duality in the moment. to love and be free from all things is found in the moment. all things are possible in the moment. to say it is not is to deny that which is.

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[PyncGyncliacy]

i believe adding "unconditional" before the word "love" would suit your purpose here foo.

yes you are right but here is another example of the duality that is tearing me apart:

can you really be unconditional? all the time? what if someone is being hurtful to you? can you allow yourself to be unconditional and stay with that person even though they are hurting you?

i think this is where communication comes in. you have a responsibility to tell that person that, even though i don't agree with what you are doing, i still love you, but, i will love you, for now, from a distance.

am i right on this? or should we stick by this person and try to help, like a martyr?

i think there are some people we need to love from a distance somethimes. but the love still needs to be there.

[addyta.org]

maybe i don't understand what you're trying to say. when you say release and at a distance, does that mean to remove yourself from their presence but still love them? in that case, yes, that is possible, because it is the physical presence and the inablility to deal with issues in our present conditioning that causes the problems, in my opinion.

i sort of object to all this looking to the future as being some kind of answer to all the problems. the only future we have is the one we are creating in this moment. and yes, we are attempting to create that reality where we will be fulfilled, and not held back by restrictions actually created by us in the first place.

there's no logic in any of it. logic seems to be taking a leap into the great unknown. we're left with questions and paradox and so be it. it's all good.

[PyncGyncliacy]

maybe i don't understand what you're trying to say. when you say release and at a distance, does that mean to remove yourself from their presence but still love them? in that case, yes, that is possible, because it is the physical presence and the inablility to deal with issues in our present conditioning that causes the problems, in my opinion.

i sort of object to all this looking to the future as being some kind of answer to all the problems. the only future we have is the one we are creating in this moment. and yes, we are attempting to create that reality where we will be fulfilled, and not held back by restrictions actually created by us in the first place.

there's no logic in any of it. logic seems to be taking a leap into the great unknown. we're left with questions and paradox and so be it. it's all good.

good points. this is something that i forget sometimes, that all of this is happening right now. there is nothing but this moment.

it is not just my own moment i don't think. this moment is shared by us all.

and i can only meditate so much. and then i have to go back out into the world and meet the violence again. i don't mean to scare anyone, but i have seen so much violence in this lifetime.

it is not only up to me to clear my head because, once my head is cleared, then i have to go back out among my fellow human beings.

so yes, it is not good to look too much to the future because that is a form of escapism. but i am giving you an open and honest representation of what this precious present is speaking to me.

i just can't seem to be able to ignore other people's feelings.

maybe i have chosen all of this for myself so that i will have the understanding, anger, and motivation to do my best to free our beautiful mother earth.

thank you for your thoughts and feelings.

[Tuqofiw]

i believe adding "unconditional" before the word "love" would suit your purpose here foo.

i don't use the word love in any form,but unconditional.


foosnik,could you clarify what you mean in your op?

[PyncGyncliacy]

i was just wondering if we could maybe not hold each other to such strict standards and restrictions.

i don't know. maybe i was rambling on too much.

[avaiptutt]

maybe i have chosen all of this for myself so that i will have the understanding, anger, and motivation to do my best to free our beautiful mother earth.

maybe, my darling foosnik, if you replace the word "anger" with "love" you will set yourself free.