[NEronchik]

i was thinking about the idea that we are pieces of god who chose to develop our individuality by the experiences of being mortal, perhaps again and again via reincarnation.

we eventually learn the lessons and ascend and re-unite with the collective 'host' according to many teachers. but then what?

i really don't want to be a proportional percentage slice in some divine pie where everybody knows everything and we all sing cosmic kumbayas. i'd rather be a crumb forever wandering space, exploring nooks and crannys and using my imagination.

i woke up this morning with the idea that the whole reason why we are going through this individualization process only to return to the homoginous obscurity of godly 'perfection' is because we will start the whole process over.

i theorize that once we return to god we will have the choice to leave and start life in a whole new universe/dimention. perhaps in some cosmic orgasm as we wriggle our 'perfected' souls back to the great egg we are presented with a blank slate, like we are familiar with in todays computer sim games, and build a new version of life from scratch.

[Noilemaillilm]

let's see. things on the astral fade unless fed somehow. unless, supposedly you've got a direct connection to the sea or spirit. in 3d life feeds on life. perhaps on higher densitites it's (still) energy feeds on energy.

if there's "as above so below" and this 3d universe collapses eventually...well, you have to have both for either to function.
so i guess it's as above then below then as above so below then as above not so below...no wait, that's heresy.

moving on, we might be gaia's cells. there's r. monroe's concept of loosh, which seems to be related to the earth intelligence again.
(energetic) food chains. wonder why you're emotionally squeezed everyday? consider that in the context of the law of energy conservation : )

and the great oroborus - serpent swallowing it's tale. that means us to : )

seems like we are caught up in someone else's game : )


we've got lower/x/higher selves in a great now... all aspects of us exist simultaneously according to this concept.
so, it's as above so below now or as now......

we may be here not due to choosing in some other density.
nature simply hatched a living organism. all your mystical past timing is simply tuning into the etheric sea of info - nature. that is, it's not really about you.
we've got crows and eagles....

timespace and spacetime. 3d life seems to be like an alchemical athanor. the thing with alchemy is that eventually we get a pretty little nugget or refined spirit.

but in our context today... it seems this nugget or refined soul ends up in file 13 anyway : )

so it's got to be as above so bs.....

nature, naturally may give everyone a boost. but then nature needs balance. so we still get some well refined tricksters...

but then eventually things really smooth out in 7.5 density. it's light and love. then guess what? it's time for the great universal downswing collapse : )

so perhaps, refined conscious units somehow get off this oroborus cycle adn actually merge with the eternal sea. but this would mean we've got souls that are from a previous universes!

like this even matters to an individual unit anyway.....

so, this would imply; as not above so otherwise below hence therefore as...

[ROYMANgo]

i think the more "enlightened" we become the more we long to join with the creator and stay there. but of course we all have much journeying to do before that happens, and of course there are many worlds where we can incarnate to explore. so if we are not ready to join with the creator for all eternity, we will be out exploring somewhere until we are. just my thoughts on the matter.

[NEronchik]

i think the more "enlightened" we become the more we long to join with the creator and stay there. but of course we all have much journeying to do before that happens, and of course there are many worlds where we can incarnate to explore. so if we are not ready to join with the creator for all eternity, we will be out exploring somewhere until we are. just my thoughts on the matter.

i can't accept that our ultimate goal is to become mere non-individuals.
all this work on our souls to just become a healthy cell with no autonomous thinking?
members of a group don't gravitate towards creativity and discovery they tend towards perpetuation and comfort.
i can't believe that life, even soul-life, becomes stagnant.

[Sarah Armstrong]

hi daz

i perfectly understand that feeling, i have it all the time. in a psychological sence it could be that the more fragile our identity is, the more afraid we are of the "collective" or to be enmeshed in oneness. first one has to develop a strong and healthy ego and after that one might be open to "let go" of it....there's no other way than keep exploring and we'll see what comes next...

liliane

[JulieSmithdccd]

i hear ya, daz. but remember, you're only repelled by what you guess will happen. that's not necessarily how it will be.

you are loathe to give up your individuality, and this is natural for 3rd density, since the greatest fear of the little i am, the ego, the self with the little "s" is to cease to exist.

remember, there are two ways in which one may exist in pure harmony with a great number of others: perfect sacrifice of the individual will, or perfect communication and joint awareness of reality.

the first represents the purest form of harmony that we are familiar with: slavery. perfect slavery is perfect harmony. and i think it is your disgust with slavery that brings you these feelings.

but consider the other: when you have two beings that are perfectly omniscient, is it possible for there to be any disagreement between them? nope. disagreement and disharmony exist only when there is a difference in understanding. if one person says that the answer is "blue," and the other says it is "green," then one or both have a viewpoint that is not perfectly grounded in absolute truth, and their differing understandings of reality is what leads them to disagree. but if both are perfectly omniscient, there is no possibility of disagreement between them, as they both have an identical (perfection is identical to perfection; only imperfection can differ) understanding of reality.

thus you can be a perfectly aware, perfectly satisfied part of a greater whole without giving anything up. and, supposedly, this is what we are all aiming for.

i'm not trying to convince you or win you over; just point out an angle here that i think you may be missing.

:d

[NEronchik]

is ego our unique identity then?

[DebtDetox]

heaven on earth, as above, so below, i believe this is oneness within self, our selfs being whole and acting from the source within at every opportunity, in the good or bad moments, just in the now, being true and truthful with no fear of judgement nor ego fights to that which may interfere. our lower and upper selfs are reborn and in balance. operating as one with our loving heart being the center, the direct driving force behind all of our actions in life.

our real selfs, our true selfs, our soul that is all loving and kind is able to merge with self and be one with life on earth, in body, mind and spirit. we are walking, thinking, doing as one.

heaven on earth, as above so below, is a direct golden line to our creator. the currents running both ways.

and as we all come back to this oneness, from within, we realize that we are those mini-universes, co-creating with the source.

[Wckcvhsg]

from the law of one, book iii:

ra: this octave density of which we have spoken is both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun, or creator once again. then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new logos which incorporates all that the creator has experienced of itself. in this new octave there are also those who wander. we know very little across the boundary of octave except that these beings come to aid our octave in its logos completion. (end of excerpt)


so it seems that yes, once we return to the creator, we will have the opportunity to move on to the next octave and start the process again. that's how i read this, anyway.

love and light,
whetherwhich

[JulieSmithdccd]

is ego our unique identity then?

of course, i don't know. but my best guess would be that the ego is discarded at some point and we are left with a more subtle distinction between selves, having to do more with our individual experiential paths to the creator than to our differing views on reality, since, once the veil is lifted, i would imagine that there would be a markéd decrease in disagreement.

can anyone back me up on this maybe?

[Sensbachtal]

lol. i think about this kind of thing to.

good answers everybody.

i think, we would still be ourselves, no matter what.
we would still have our consciousness, and consciousness is all.

some people, in this life are not fully conscious yet. they are ruled by the dream. we are slaves to are emotions. our emotions are not us.

the more we awaken, the more liberated we become.

"and the truth shall set you free".

i have worried about the future, the destiny of the soul, etc.
but why worry?
just as it is virtually impossible for an ant to comprehend what it feels like to be human, it is (almost) impossible for a human to understand what it feels like to be god. and even then, we wouldn't be able to sum up the infinite through finite words alone.

i think, we sometimes get glimpses of the divine in the most profound experiences we have.......

[Bbjhjxfy]

according to the ra material once the 7th density is reached the looking back has stopped, and the road to unify completely with the creator has begun.
this means that eventually we will merge with god, out of free will leave our small identity behind because we fully realise that we are the one infinite creator, that our identity is god, instead of thinking that you are becoming a cell in god you are becoming god in totality! this means that we will become the one infinite creator and have its awareness, this is just utterly unimaginable, from every leaf in the universe through every sun, through every universe and much more... everything

as we move up through the density's we get closer and closer to god.
johnasmodeus i think you are speaking of social memory complexes, this is possible from 4th density where beings freely choose to merge with eachother , to act as one, like ra is a social memory complex. they are one...
they say that everything is harmonised by the collective love they share in social memory complexes...


greets,
Unknown

[NEronchik]

well even ra hasn't returned home yet so he/they don't know everything!

i'm thinking that the answer hasn't been set in stone yet because of free will, and it kind of makes sense that we humans, if we are as unique in all the galaxy as the teachers suggest, are the ones who will go beyond 'oneness'....

[rJohutozsfds]

....the ego is discarded at some point and we are left with a more subtle distinction between selves, having to do more with our individual experiential paths to the creator than to our differing views on reality, since, once the veil is lifted, i would imagine that there would be a markéd decrease in disagreement.

can anyone back me up on this maybe?

in the grand scheme of things, we are all one already, so after eons and eons of 'time' we will finally re-unite with the creator, only to realize then, that we never actually left in the first place. it was all just a magnificent adventure in consciousness!

so when you make all these arbitrary divisions in consciousness, ego, personality, subconscious, unconscious, higher self, spirit, soul, etc., it makes it easier to discuss a certain part of it, but ultimately all this division also causes confusion. and everybody's unique idea of 'the way things are' is needed to fully explore all the possibilities of the all-that-is. in other words, if you and i had all the same ideas and beliefs, there would really be no point in both of us being here.

ok, now that i've thoroughly confused both you and myself, let me tell you how i see it. i don't see the ego ever making it out of 3d reality. i think it's a specialized 'tool' that's a combination of bodily consciousness, and left-brain/logical type thinking skills. because frankly i don't see us needing our math skills after we check out.

i do see a division between the personality and the ego. in this scenario the personality (that which makes us uniquely who we are) would stay with us at least until we became a "social memory complex" like ra, and even then we would retain portions of it, to create inspiration and generate new ideas within the complex.

[Bbjhjxfy]

dazcox.
i'm not sure from where you get that we humans are as unique in all the galaxy.
i think we are like all the other 3d civilisations, trying to polarize either way.
very unique as every part of infinity.
i don't think many of us truly understand oneness, unity, non-duality.

this discussion also seems to be about the paradox between infinity and individuality or manyness. how can those be integrated.

greets,
Unknown

[NEronchik]

dazcox.
i'm not sure from where you get that we humans are as unique in all the galaxy.
i think we are like all the other 3d civilisations, trying to polarize either way.
very unique as every part of infinity.
i don't think many of us truly understand oneness, unity, non-duality.

this discussion also seems to be about the paradox between infinity and individuality or manyness. how can those be integrated.

greets,
Unknown

david wilcock/ra said that humans are the only ones with free will. this seems to be what a lot of ufo researchers say too, that the aliens are fascinated with us because we have something far greater than we know about us.

[Unlopssesuj]

i am so very grateful to be guided in my quest for greater understanding of self. the notion of "wanderer" is much more congruent than "starseed". i have for more than one year believed we are in fact in the cosmic year of 2010. i have also been guided to understand the ascension process of this earth is part of the ascension of source. here is my insight...may it resonate as a perspective of infinity creating infinity to know only love...or all that is. i was given an image in "no time" of a complete ascension to "all that is" by source. please try to imagine our creator...source...coming into self awareness in complete isolation and of intense loving energy. as this newly formed entity becomes aware of it's self it creates only with love individuated aspects of it's self. conduits of self exploration which are so vast we can not conceive their magnitude with the human mind. during this process of pristine love and creation a "virus" is inserted to cause polarity.

source would never have conceived of polarity because it was to new in experiencing it's self as a creator. all that is wanted source to be challenged to create a system of forgiveness and healing with-in it's self so it could ascend to a dimension/octave... beyond distortion, beyond every falling back into duality...in any multi-dimension. so source devised a way for all creation to experience free will through individuation and a strengthening of frequency that once all cosmos had reached it's highest octave would be a mirror image...if you will...to source it's self. a complete frequency entity that is capable of remembering all of it's individuation...personality...multidimensional/galactic/universal existence...in such a way that it can as a collective...interpenetrate with it's creator and not be absorbed back into it's frequencies of magnetic unfathomable love. i believe this is the matriculation of source into the dimension of "all that is". after we interpenetrate with source a frequency stabilization will occur and all of source creation will be embodied into one collective/remembered/individuated/being of love equal to original source to begin again the creation cycle untill the"we" that has become source has reached a place of experience that will allow for matriculation/ascension to the octave of "all that is".

thus the perpetual experiencing of new creations mastering duality through the original template and distortion used to assist the creation of source and self mastery beyond current ability to comprehend. i am not implying this theory is true for any one else...but it has been a "bed time story" told to me for sometime now by beings of supreme love and compassion...it is for all to ascend to all that "is". beyond the greatest feelings of love i have ever felt. namaste, dear children of the sun.

[rJohutozsfds]

david wilcock/ra said that humans are the only ones with free will. this seems to be what a lot of ufo researchers say too.....

i seriously doubt that humans are the only ones with free will. i'm pretty sure that the ra, for instance, also has free will.

[NEronchik]

i seriously doubt that humans are the only ones with free will. i'm pretty sure that the ra, for instance, also has free will.

i just read it in dw's book! but no matter, perhaps i misunderstood it. peace.

[HilaryNidierer]

i used to long so much to know my creator-god/goddess. the more i have found my inner self, my spirit self, the more i dont long for this. i cant shake the feeling that my purpose is just now starting. mabey i have already been through a higher cycle of 'density' and chose to come backwards to help others and when i do leave here i will continue on in the density that i left from. the whole different dinsities as literal things is hard to wrap my mind around. i just feel that if and when i do return to my creator, i will not remain with thee long for i will choose once again to seperate and go be another form of being for thee to keep experienceing.

i dont find true bliss to be very exciting. i do find it exciting to know god and return, but im getting to know god more and more everyday. as well as i feel mabey god is awaking from a long slumber, like stelth mode or something. and now thee is awakinging, coming to know thee self, through us, and in return, we get to know god, as god awakes. i feel i am not on the edge of returning. i feel that my incarnation has much more work to be done that is just now really starting.

when i meditate on this, and i ponder on the idea that i have work to do after 2012, i receive a smile of satisfaction from my higher self. like i am on the right track and i need to just make the best of it all and stay grounded so i can be guided in the right path of work.

to each their own, im not sure if we all have the same purpose. mabey some have accomplished what their soul needed to do and mabey some have come back to simply begin again somewhere. i would sure like to know why i feel my work is just starting and like im being prepared to help others past 2012. again though, my soul says, 'let it be, you will know all in good time, you are doing just fine'.

peace to all,
lynette