[goolen4you]

hello to all,

ive been reading alot of neat stuff about the ancient american people and i keep running across images of a hand with a eye in the middle of it. the image seems so powerful to me. one of the most powerful feelings ive ever had while looking at a image. my question is its origin. the search for the origin of this symbol is running me in circles.

some relate the image to be the 'hand of miriam' (jewish), some relate it to 'hand of fatimah' (islamic), and some relate it to a southern cult of people that happen to be some of the earliest people here in america.

in alabama, a stone platelet was found with this image of the eye in the hand with a circling serpent around the image. the feeling i had when i saw this image for the first time was totally entrancing. the platelet was found at moundville alabama. the smithsonian took the item and doesnt even have it on display. its like they are hiding it for no one to see.

im curious if others have ran across this image and if so , what feelings did the image bring you? ill find some links to post about this for some that have never heard of it.

america has alot of history that seems to be covered up. there has been ancient symbols and writings in many states. some are hebrew, islamic, and some claim even egyptian writings on caves have been found dating way back when.

so what to make of the image of the eye in the hand??

peace to all,
lynette

http://www.sandplay.org/symbols/eye.htm

http://www.metahistory.org/views_home.php

http://www.luckymojo.com/eyeinhand.html

[Anydayhybeall]

re: eye-in-hand and serpent around it.
lynette,
i have a strong interest in visual symbols. my dad also had such an interest and designed some that went into public domain and are in common use today for a firm called pictogram.
all i can give you are ‘first impressions’. however: i learned as a child that ‘first impression’ very important in creating symbols. i also believe that spirit can ‘come down’ and therefore a direct tie to other cultures not absolutely necessary for same type of image to appear. (though not discounting physical ties….)
impression: very ‘feminine’ as circled by serpent (energy coming up or ‘down there to come up). this is being emphasized in this age to balance against over-use of male energy as focus on such things as ‘earth mother’. all-seeing-eye is ‘in hand’, (or can be). take a bit of a risk here and suggest message seems for you now. wow.
(and how did name ‘moundville’ come about? indian culture?)

[Vobomei]

hi, interesting!

cant tell you anything about that symbol, but its like ive seen it a lot of times before but cant remeber where. and in just the few minutes ive been meditating on it and thinking about what to write here, i feel that its so dear to me, its really hard to belive.

what i feel when observing, is release of stress, clarity and expansion. my ether is going crazy and its like im going into some sort of "cleaning modus".

i only get that carried away when exposed to runes, no other family of symbols has this effect on me. this was something special. thank you for the experience lynette.

anupama

[Blolover11]

hi,
it would be interesting to hear what william henry, "investigative mythologist" has to say about this symbol. he has done some excellent work on ancient symbols.

[IssuessBratte]

in ancient eastern spiritual tradition, the palms were said to contain 'secondary' energy centers, or points of egress for cosmic life energy, or prana. meditants sit with palms turned upwards to better collect the instreaming energy from 'above'.

here, perhaps the eye symbol is synonymous with various bodily nexii of energy transfer from within to without and vice versa, and the hands symbolize great powers of interface with the world around us, as in the healer's touch.

taken together, it's perhaps not so surprising to see the eye in the hand symbology to be pan-culturally iconic.

markm

[Phighicle]

hero, hawk, and open hand refer to three recurrent motifs in native mythology regarding life, death, and renewal. pipe effigies and fertility figures depict heroes, or legendary figures--often ancestors or mythical sources of life--who were also supernatural protectors and models for human leaders. figures such as the hawk were connected with forces in nature and were believed to be linked to humans; dreams and ritual offerings made by shamans, hunters, and rulers maintained the cycles of society. the open hand is a sign in the native american constellation associated with the passage of the soul from the realm of the living to that of the dead. such cosmological forces were invoked by rituals and by aligning ceremonial sites to the paths of the sun or moon and the movements of constellations.

the hawk is very much associated to the eyes up here in canada as well.

i can email you the source if you would like

[goolen4you]

hello to all,

thanks to those sharing their thoughts and feelings!i truly cant seem to get this image out of my mind.

michael-i too feel it to be feminine....its like its part of mother earth herself...

anupama-i too feel like ive seen it before! it was like a old memory becoming a part of me once again, so hard to explain this feeling.

mark-interesting you mention 'energy transfers. i read somewhere that the eye was the place where the soul enters and exits the body. some old images show the hand with the eye covering a beings mouth. mabey some indians placed this symbol on the mouth to show that is where they thought the soul enters and exits.

ash(for short -i would love for you to email the source you were talking about! any info you find i would love to read.

i feel strongly that there was humans here in america that have deep spiritual souls. i would love to know more about these people. and why is so much of this info being kept low key? since i live in al, im going to try to go visit moundville. there are places in tenn. too, which is close to me as well. there mounds are in many states. miss., al., tn., ga., in., ill., oh., mich., and i think tx also. all of the mound sites are very old and all of them had awesome artifact. i cant help but wonder, could these be the places some of the survivors from atlantis came to and settled? i would also like to know why some people have called the people of moundville a southern cult. i guess it has something to do with the hand being displayed upside down on alot of their artifacts, instead of the hand being right side up. but if they think the mississippians in al were a southern cult, then what about all of the other sites in the other states with mounds....are they all a part of the southern cult? my gut feeling is that some elite people dont want this history to be known about america uses the 'southern cult' scare tactic so people wont have interests to search into this history.

i want to know more! its like this symbol contains many answers...

peace to all,
lynette

[Sarah Armstrong]

hi lynette!

that's what i thought, you have a french connection.
thanks for the link, beutiful sync to my thread, great link, i'm actually off to my paradisland where i'm going to sit in the sand on a shore that i've cleaned from litter, reading a book by two native americans about the right relationship!

liliane

[Sarah Armstrong]

.......and what do i find? it has been almost no snow this winter and spring has arrived 2 months too early, and all of the suuden it's freezing...i look down and see a formation of ice looking like a bird with an eye...i find a shell with a small circle on it and inside a black dot like a pupil...next thing is an old bottlestopper from denmark (the island i visit recieves a lot of litter from overseas) with the label "kosmos" and then a piece of a very old telephonepole with 4 of the "things" for the wire....is there some cosmic communication going on here?

liliane

[leareliovag]

well, i get this feeling from it......

you know how we, "visualize" what we want, and our desires, before they manifest, and our hands do our work for us....i feel like this is a symbol of the vision and work together, like a certainty of our manifested desires, if that makes any sense.

( i allways understand myself perfectly, but am not too sure of the clarity in my explanations, lol )

[Sarah Armstrong]

hi lynette!

i was actually waiting for the hands to show up, since the synchronicities i described from the shore contained jsut "eyes" and a bird. but when looking on image of the day of nasa, there was a neblulae with exactly the same form and patterns as the "eye" i saw on the shell. even the cream on top of the milk in a cup that i left overnight had this shape, floating in the middle of the milk.

i wath a video with bob dean....on the bottom of the screen there is an eye with a red stp-sign over it...i discovered later..while taking a walk with my dog i pass a sign with two hands saying "restricted area, no entrance" just outside the office of one of my friends office....down by the river...

in this case the eye and the hand mean specifically for me that something is not ok, even if the symbolism you and the article refer to is positive per se...but synchronicities are not to be followed like a track someone has layed out, you should not "follow signs blindly" but carefully notice the "emotional connotation to it, and what you were doing just before they happened. i have learned this the hard way, with crucifiction and falling trees that i did not listen to, thinking, wanting the way i was following was the right one. this time i will heed the messages carefully.

liliane

[Sarah Armstrong]

hi again

..spellingerror..stop-sign of course...

liliane

[Sydaycymn]

hi lynette!

in this case the eye and the hand mean specifically for me that something is not ok, even if the symbolism you and the article refer to is positive per se...but synchronicities are not to be followed like a track someone has layed out, you should not "follow signs blindly" but carefully notice the "emotional connotation to it, and what you were doing just before they happened. i have learned this the hard way, with crucifiction and falling trees that i did not listen to, thinking, wanting the way i was following was the right one. this time i will heed the messages carefully.

liliane

synchronicities never fail to fascinate me--and i was searching for information on this topic when i stumbled upon the "eye in the hand" thread. i too have been fascinated with this symbol ever since i was 15 and my mom gave me a necklace with one on it...to me it is a symbol of protective knowledge--i have to add that i'm wearing one on a bracelet now.

as far as other synchroncities go, while on the treadmill i was reading a book about a month ago about this topic that also dealt with dreams and creativity that had the quote by nietzsche (paraphrasing here) "what does not kill me only makes me stronger" while at the same time i was listening to kanye west's "stronger" on my ipod--which if you listen to the song (clean version for me by the way) has as its chorus almost the exact same words...i felt like i had been struck by lightning when i realized this coincidence. i'm not sure though what it means...so i'm kind of asking for any suggestions or thoughts. over the past year, i have feel bombarded by synchronicities in a variety of ways, which i may share in future posts.

also, i have another question--does anyone know of any astrology websites where you can compare your chart to someone else's, like david did regarding edgar cayce's chart and his own? thanks for your help!!

this is my first post (i'm not usually one to write, mainly read) but after following david's website for almost a year i feel like i should be a participant online after all. thanks to everyone for sharing and i send you all love and light!

[moderator note: astro.com has excellent charts that you can create for free-pm me if you need instructions there. chris]