[Kryfamid]

divine cosmonites,
so came again to my notice the book on carlos castaneda which has been on my to read list for a long time.
recently i saw a documentary on tv, about how plants amongst them tobacco (which has been demonized and abused in society) can be a doorway to induced perceptions, also supported by terence mckenna who relates to the 2012 in his mathematical novelty theory.
anyways apparently don juan the shaman puts carlos in a room and tells him he needs to find the place of power in the room or else he leaves, carlos is left rolling around the floor all night and finally in the morning discovers the place of energy (maybe related to the vortexes which i read in david´s divine cosmos, loo is also on my list to read)
what are your thoughts on that?

[Wgnhqhlg]

jma,

there must be something to it since i myself have had an experience of moving my bed from one end of the room to the other and felt an uncomfortable sensation when laying down on my bed in the new spot. i adjusted the bed and felt much better afterward.

the castaneda books are a good read. very insightful.


one 66

[GZFL2tDA]

one66 wrote:
i myself have had an experience of moving my bed from one end of the room to the other and felt an uncomfortable sensation when laying down on my bed in the new spot. i adjusted the bed and felt much better afterward. i can totally relate, and it's a curious phenomenon. there was a certain apartment i used to live in where i would switch my bed from time to time between three different positions. in each position, i would focus on doing a specific set of tasks, such as reading certain books here, drawing there, etc. in castaneda's words i believe this would be called a "stalking" method because as soon as i switched the bed around i would revisit to a degree the associated state of mind or mood.

the big story concerning this subject occurred at my childhood home in my country of birth, which i've been visiting once a year or so. one year, i found they had moved the heavy furniture around in my bedroom after painting the walls. and my childhood bed now was located at the opposite side of the room. i had massive difficulties sleeping there!

one night i decided to move the bed as close to the original position as possible (there was a heavy bookcase in the way). when i did so and turned off the lights (i was totally sober, mind you), i started hallucinating thousands of shards of light going everywhere all at once, some of them were stationary as if they represented fixated thought complexes. the hallucinations were so bright, they blocked my vision of the darkened room. quite scary, actually. i left the bed and came back and they returned once again.

how does this all relate to the ra material? i think it would help in matters of preparing a place of working (be it only for meditation) and also in matters of developing the will.

any ideas?

[corsar-caribean]

i enjoyed reading the castaneda books but didn't integrate the material since almost all of it seemed sts-oriented. there isn't any fourth-chakra material in there that i can find at all. so as far as how real or workable anything is in there, i find it difficult to know which parts really worked for carlos and which parts were don juan's set-ups.

[Wgnhqhlg]

how does this all relate to the ra material? i think it would help in matters of preparing a place of working (be it only for meditation) and also in matters of developing the will.

any ideas?

i would have to agree with you on that, makram. to re-center or re-align your being/energy. to produce the best positive flow within you. and to help with ones will power which is very important for an individual.

one 66

[Wgnhqhlg]

i enjoyed reading the castaneda books but didn't integrate the material since almost all of it seemed sts-oriented. there isn't any fourth-chakra material in there that i can find at all. so as far as how real or workable anything is in there, i find it difficult to know which parts really worked for carlos and which parts were don juan's set-ups.

i personally found quite a few things in several of his books that i was able to relate too (since i had experienced similiar experiences on my own before coming across any of the castaneda books/any book for that matter).
i never felt it to to be sts-oriented but sto-oriented. why? because over all, it is helping one come closer to their inner knowing/understanding along with their inner light... which brings one ever more closer to their true being, love. and the closer you get to your true being, the more you care for that which is and those who are all around you.

one 66

[Kryfamid]

hello forumers, after browsing the net a few things turned up, some say pendulums and other apparatus arent trustworthy to detect these "places of power", you have to be some kind of an initiate to see the energetic surrounding.i haven´t had any experience with vortexes as far as vaguely liking to be in a place better than another, usually crowds are something that produce a chaotic energy which i dislike.
i have heard of villages that have more poisonous plants than others and where plagues have hit more often so there really must be something to the vortex phenomenon, sonora desert in arizona is a huge vortex where the castaneda teachings took place.


the castaneda material is something worth giving a look, don juan says once fear is conquered, then clarity of mind must be conquered, and next power which can enslave a man, just some notes upon a first web browse, it does relate to other spiritual material out there, except the buddha isn´t recorded to have taken [a drug] :d

recently i have been revisiting the novelty theory and just took a good look at the chart, notive how at year 08 month 08 it takes a dive down and just barely goes up until 2012 where it hits zero, very exciting indeed.
it is all clicking together little by little.



[moderator: jma, it might be more interesting if you could explain what the graph is doing for our "graphically challenged" members ]

[Poowssnople]

shamans have always been very interesting to me. i would like to share a couple things that are related. bear with me now because it really does relate to the subject of shamans. the pineal gland in your body is what some people believe is the "3rd eye chakra" or where the soul enters and exits the body. this gland produces a chemical called dmt. dmt is in nearly everything and you actually injest it all the time but your stomach has a certain enzyme that breaks it down before it reaches the blood stream. (description of herbals is deleted in compliance with policy. interested parties can contact foo using private mail. mod. ) ... because of the power of a shaman comes from his/her ability to converse with and enter the spirit world at will to ask for advice and solve problems.

very interesting, huh?

the link below is a great video about shamans. the credit for this video goes to another member named dab. it gives a great summary of describing what a shaman is. thanks dab!

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com...wesselman2.htm

and another...

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com...hwesselman.htm

[GZFL2tDA]

ra once stated that it is possible to travel through space without the use of technology but through the disciplines of the personality alone. much of castaneda's books revolve around the art of "shifting the assemblage point" to travel to different realities. this is where his books and the ra material can somewhat supplement each other.

on that note, one of the primary prerequisites for this kind of travel according to ra is to perceive the world as one, and if my memory does not fail me, this is not a highlighted idea in castaneda's books. however, that our perception of the world is generated from the position of our "assemblage point" (our energetic epicenter) implicitly suggests the "psychological relativity" between one person and another, and between one reality and another.

shamanism in general seems to breed men and women of power with mixed polarity. there might be a subtle reason behind this, that their abilities and exploration seem largely based on power and will, both of which can be useful on the positive path but easily oscillate one towards the negative, especially as one stumbles in the (3rd density) dark. manipulation, control, mastery, repression; all these are aspects of the negative side which one can easily manifest by exploring power and the deeper, magical portions of the will.

in any case, i agree with one 66 that the castaneda material was not sts, i see his characters as agents of spirit, and thus one could say that they always strove to serve the creator; don juan was portrayed to do so impeccably. indeed, i think that this illuminates the primary condition for developing the will and remaining in accordance with the positive path, that one's intent remains consonant with that of the creator or that of the deeper self.

actually, this seems to be inherent as an archetypal bias underlying the way the will functions and develops. the following quote by ra suggests that utilizing the will for more superfluous reasons demands a greater expenditure of energy:

"...the use of this energy of will, mind, and spirit for the things of the physical complex causes a far greater distortion in the lessening of the vital energy than would the use of this energy for those things which are in the deepest desires and will of the mind/body/spirit complex."

love and light,
makram