[lorrieholdridge]

i personally believe that the extent of "free will" we have depends on the extent of our awareness.

[Ruiceara]

hello everyone!

kellynuts asked in a earlier post if i thought god made adam and eve the first humans. i really dont know what i think about that exactly. i dont think we were the direct creation from god 'the divine'. i think we were like a sub creation that was the effect of a cause from higher realms of 'beings' that were the more direct creation from the divine. the higher 'beings' being a results of the original chaos and us being a result from their chaos. its so hard to explain what i think in the language we use. i see everything trickling down from a one source and each trickle after a certain point contained chaos from the original separation.

back to the word 'evil'...my point being is that what i consider to be the base of 'evil' is not what most see it as today. most see it as a way to describe how bad things came to this world through satan or the fall of angles. but i see it as a source of the effect from the cause of separation.
the reason ive been pondering about the 'origin' of evil (or bad things) is because of the confusion in many old text that humans kept feeling a need to explain why bad things were here with us in this world. i think the serpent and the tree of knowledge are metaphors saying that good and bad existed before the creation of humans. it bothers me that so many relate the origin of evil to eve eating an apple from a tree she was forbidden from.

i dont think we are supposed to ignore the fact that good and bad or not a result of the actions of one human. i think we should try to see the purpose in the old writings of the forever confusion that us humans have by trying to understand why is there bad experiences as well as good experiences. yes, we know both positive and negative exist. but why?? the reason in my thoughts is simply gods way of letting us know we are here because of something that happened in the chaos that resulted our existence. gosh, am i making any sense here

ones understanding may not be anothers understanding, but i still feel its important to share our experiences.

someone stated that i use the words 'i feel' when i should be bold and use the words 'i think'. again, ones way may not be anothers. to me, when i use the words 'i feel' im actually being more bold then to say what 'i think'. to me using the words 'i fell' is basing something on a deep intuition. to me it is bolder to base something on a intuition rather then what the mind has figured out. but for others, its the opposite. i am a person of intuition, so what i 'feel' is more powerful to me then what i 'think'. just my personal 'feelings' when i say 'i feel' it more or less means that ive come to a answer that not only i think is right, but my soul and higher self has shown agreement to my thoughts.

peace to all,
lynette

sorry if my reply seems a lil broken im trying to answer each of your paragraphs seperately in conjunction to my paragraphs.

so in todays terms we may have been created from a more advanced species?
your using the word "think" alot. heres a lil advice, think about what u believe in then think of contradictories to that that u also believe in. hope im making sense now

remember there has to be 2 sides to every stick! positive and negative. cause and effect, blah, blah.
in my opinion u cant believe alot of what societies religion has taught us, its a form of manipulation. using the contridiction method you can find in yourself what u believe in. take adam & eve for example(using what i believe in), if you think they were put here as 1st man and woman. well i believe that if you inter-marry with relatives and procreate it will end in disaster. already confirming my contradiction to adam & eve. i try to use this method with almost all my questions in everyday life, especially the tough ones, dont really ever have any problem finding the answers either.
i think this is the best form of "religion"(for lack of a better word) because its not what someone else believes in or what u read from a book, its all coming from your own inner thoughts and beliefs. so if u "cheat" your only cheating yourself.

i personally think we have bad experiences as u said, so we can learn from them. we also learn from good experiences.

i also sense like your masking your words, with what u may think be more appropriate?!? or am i barkin up the wrong tree here.

[ligaliaCods]

hello to all,

hi kelly-i hopped on to reply to your post. i was and do mask the use of words.realizing that sometimes others interpret the words 'i feel' to not take much meaning. to really say what i feel is going out on a limb because its putting my intuitions in the line of fire sometimes. which, i have found to be somewhat unsettling. so when wanting to be safe, i go with 'i think'.

oh me, here it goes, what i truly feel. the first woman of the 'earth' with a soul and spirit within her not only beget children from man of earth but also beget children with the beings before man, the immortals. there was 2 lineages that came from eve. neither being immortal physically, but both containing a soul. the lineages split again with the lineage of cain and seth. i feel that the lineage of cain could be soulless(or else they have so much karma to repent for that its going to be a long time before they can heal or mabey these are the souls we see here on earth that are given really really hard lives). i feel the lineage of cain was a interception of a negative energy on eve or it was truly wrong for eve to mix with the immortal beings.

when the sol of this earth became trapped, negative forces wanted to control her. the sol of the earth that created life here on earth was separated from the divine so in a sense she could be attacked. and she was, through her female creation, eve. when i think of adam and eve i also feel that there was a few trial and errors so to say. i feel adam and eve souls roamed this realm before their human form. mabey they were just the first 2 that contained souls. mabey the pre-adamic man before adam( if there was one) didnt contain souls. mabey it took the creation of man, by the previous beings(ill call them sub-angles) , to reconnect a link to the divine love and light. i think the chaos of the angels has everything to do with the creation of man.

but mabey i feel these things for its just a stage of growth. mabey ego effects the intuition a little more then what i understand. i use the word 'angle' very loosely. i feel there are high realms of angles as well as low. so when i say 'angle' it could be positive or negative. a true angel of god, is of course positive. but some turned themselves away from the light. this is the root reason we are here in this creation and experience. my purpose isnt someone elses, so what i feel may not relate to others. just as though sometimes what others feel right doesnt relate to me. but we are all are a part of the bigger picture. all in all, none of the texts or oral ideas that get past down are of importance in the final show. the final show will be with ones true soul and gods experience through our souls trials and joys. but this human physical side of me enjoys finding the leaking of truth through the ages of many years still shining its way through old pages and old images/symbols.

i feel that there was a form of being here before adam. pre-adamic man created as trial and error by the earths sol or trial and error by the masculine sol that could of been here with the female sol. anyways, together, eventually, through the female sol and the masculine sol came eve. i feel adam was a creation by one sol only, and eve was the offshoot of 2. ever sense the offshoot of the masculine sol and the feminine sol there has been duality over the souls of us humans. a fight for our souls. adam is what grounded us with the sol of the earth. anything of energy must be grounded. eve, grounds the human to the divine. this could also be vise versa really, eve being the one created of the earths sol and adam being the one created of the earths sol and prior beings of immortals. i feel strongly that one of them was of the creation of one being creating all by itself, and the other a creation of 2 beings together.

this is just feelings. what i feel may not be what another feels. but we all learn from each others perceptions good or bad. i do find it very risky reading alot of old stuff if you dont feel you are grounded with a foundation of good faith. ive always had solid faith. this helps when confronting ancient readings or observing ancient symbols to determine positive and negative.

i dont go by any certain societies ways or any certain religion, but i do find the light of the divine in many places. its a beautiful thing when you do. the divine has left footprints. im sure of that.

in the idea of mixing with family causing disaster-i agree to a point. but god himself created from himself. and then you have the idea of a female part of god and a male part of god, or negative/positive, and then they mix and form something, then they mix and form. in the very beginnings of humans, i dont know how important it was for one of cains children to not have children with seths children. the purity of the human blood might of allowed this early family mix of 2 lineages from eve.

mabey when adam was created by one sol being, it took another sol being to bring the life to him. then the 2 sols realized it took both to truly create something or form and life. then together, they created eve. eve beget with adam and with another being. 2 lineages came from eve. that is what i feel. been known to look too deep into things, so forgive for going out on the limb here i feel that the history of the angles and their experiences in creation point right to us. i feel a feminine energy here with the earth with a past of turning away from her original source. her masculine counterpart became stuck in a way with her. the masculine is only here to aid and guide her back to the source. since we are all a part of her(the earths sol) we are all experiencing this time of wait, before the unity is accomplished. the true unity of the father, mother and child(masculine, feminine, and their creation) back to the source of love and light. i look at it as the sol of the earth, the sol of christ, and all of us (the children) will return together.
*whew* i about fell off of that limb....*climbs back down the tree*



peace to all,
lynette