[XU8i6ysK]

someone brought this up on another thread?
19.18 questioner:i believe we have a very important point here. it then seems that there is an extreme potential in this polarization the same as there is in electricity. we have a positive and negative pole. the more you build the charge on either of these, the more the potential difference and the greater the ability to do work, as we call it in the physical.

this would seem to me to be the same analogy that we have in consciousness. is this correct?

ra: i am ra. this is precisely correct. so "evil" can never be overcome no matter how hard we try?

by trying to overcome evil do we only create a friction which stimulates the "other side" to act accordingly.........an equal and opposite reaction?

i feel confused now about things.
my quest for truth and spiritual truth leaves me feeling completely drained from time to time.
today i have been feeling rather tired, even though i have no physical reason to be.

i feel i just want to withdraw myself from the "normal" world and focus on spirituality totally and completely.
if there was a place where i could go and live and just learn meditation, then i would go.

the "real world" disturbs the sensitive stuff i seem to be made of.

more than anything, i long for peace.
and i long for answers.


perhaps it is not our job to try and change others.
perhaps we can only change ourselves.

this world is a never-ending cycle; a dance of the illusion of polarity, of the two sides, or yin and yang.
it will always be that way.

or maybe it won't.
perhaps one day the lion will "lie down with the lamb".
(until a time comes when all hell will break loose again). :d

i long to fly home,
to the one, infinite source
i long to be one again.

i think life is just a stage.

we have everything we ever needed, within.
we already are
all we need to be.
we are already complete
we are already whole.

there is really nothing we need from this world.
it is only desire that keeps us coming back.

my guess is that we can be free any time we want.
however, i can't be sure.
and i still want to do something
to help ease some of the suffering.
and there are those that need me.

i know, as bob dean said, that when my time is up......i'm not coming back.

[Aceroassert]

so "evil" can never be overcome no matter how hard we try?

by trying to overcome evil do we only create a friction which stimulates the "other side" to act accordingly.........an equal and opposite reaction?

i feel confused now about things.
my quest for truth and spiritual truth leaves me feeling completely drained from time to time.
today i have been feeling rather tired, even though i have no physical reason to be.
dear amelie

my apologies for so intruding on your postings. i sense that i do make things worse for you by adding even more confusing viewpoints.

about overcoming evil: what did jesus offer? i believe the point he made was this: "resist not evil" (of course that is just his opinion. )

from what i've gathered from llresearch the 4th density encounters between negative and positive are much like that illustration i gave in an earlier post,i.e., about a confrontation between ferocious porcupines and loving tar babies. the (say orions) want a fight! they feed their need for negative polarity on this kind of stuff. the positives bombard them with overwhelming love..."here, take everything...here’s my shirt, take my (whatever) go ahead, step all over me, etc. ...the orions are drained of energy and retreat in confusion... trampling the loving positives on the way out. that is a simplification, but the point is that it is a no-win, no-gain situation for both sides...

your desire for an end of pain and agony on this 3d world is somewhat misplaced... so to speak you are looking through the wrong end of the telescope. the harmony you so desire is what the fourth density is all about. in fact, it is so over-abundant in loving others and unselfish sacrifice that eventually it has to be modulated down to practicality via a sojourn through the fifth density.

the observation about jesus is that coming from the high fourth he was filled with so much love that a sacrificial martyrdom was a logical conclusion to his ministry. his death occurred because it lacked the wisdom of the fifth. (of course the dramatic story of his sacrifice probably outweighed a hypothetical long life as a mere teacher, and was critical to the firing-up of the imagination of countless generations)

regarding your self. for what it is worth i think that you are a wanderer from a higher positive density and are here on mission. in general you came to this planetary situation in accordance with your plan/contract of assuming a very tender heart, a heart designed specifically to magnify and increase a reaction from your higher sensitivities.

so, what are you trying to accomplish? on the surface it might seem that it is to become an agent in helping to spread your feeling of outrage concerning the mistreatment of helpless animals and (to a bit of a lesser extent) human victims.

but the agenda hiding behind the obvious agenda might be a bit different. you could be here to magnify even more your own current high degree of positive polarity through experiencing voluminous love and concern for others. or, horrors, you could have been an agent of hurt yourself! a more pleasant scenario is that perhaps you found revealed in a higher density the fact that you were weak in love and sympathy, which cried out for more experience, experience best gained in the powerful turmoil of a 3d setting rather than in a wimpy time/space. (trying to gain “strength” in a higher density is like going to a gym and being given balloons to hoist rather than weighty barbells)

whatever the exact details might be, you are most obviously here to experience this density.

concerning the powerful scene in "powder" where the little deer was shot: it turns out that even such a negative encounter has its positive rewards. the deer, having been singled out by the act of attracting the attention of a higher species (tho the hunter guy seemed sub-human!) will gain even in the face of its unpleasant death. the point is that the 2d deer is a product of an animal group soul. this seemingly brutal encounter generates a spark of "life" transferred to the deer which puts it on the road to individualization ...meaning that its consciousness separates from the group soul ...and puts our little deer well on the way to being incarnated as a 3rd.... the same thing applies to beloved human pets ... who may well become our beloved charges when they reach the point that we are struggling through now. so, the hunter’s act could be classified according to its final outcome as an act of "love". !!! (as i said in other post, the term, love has some semantic difficulties)

thanks for reading and thinking. ..love, ( of the gentler sort!)...billybob

[dyestymum]

i feel i just want to withdraw myself from the "normal" world and focus on spirituality totally and completely.
if there was a place where i could go and live and just learn meditation, then i would go.

the "real world" disturbs the sensitive stuff i seem to be made of.

more than anything, i long for peace.
and i long for answers.


perhaps it is not our job to try and change others.
perhaps we can only change ourselves.

just know that you are in very good company-this is a classic wanderer lament, we all feel this way from time to time.

sometimes, it helps to take a few steps back and try to see, in a more general, wholistic manner, the great beauty, love, wisdom and power of the system of positive/negative polarity which allows this world to go around.

indeed, if all was sweetness and light on earth...well, you know, it just wouldn't happen, couldn't happen, because there would be no catalyst for soul growth, and we would never be able to return to source. we would lay around forever in what would be a purposeless stupor, with nothing to challenge us, our glass always full...

i'm reminded of an old twilight zone episode in which a very self serving hustler and pool shark died, and found himself in a place very similar to his old haunts. the attending angel pointed out that here, he could succeed in every swindle, get any girl, and never miss a pool shot.

after a while he began to get bored by the lack of challenge, but found to his dismay that he really couldn't miss, couldn't lose a bet if he tried, every hand a royal flush.

eventually, he called out in anguish to the 'angel', and after venting his frustration and despair with heaven, asked to go to the 'other place .

the 'angel', looking suddenly somewhat malevolent, answered with a sneering laugh, "this is the other place!"

this is offered only as a counter-balancing thought aimed at helping to lift one to a higher perspective, when one becomes ensnared by the focusing on what is unpleasant on this world. although man's inhumanity to man and nature were not specifically planned by the creator, free will was given; and perhaps in this sense, man has dominion over the earth.

remember, all this suffering is ultimately an illusion in the overall sense of things, and at that, temporary. this stage of 'ordeal by fire' is necessary to return home, and the whole positive/negative, yin/yang, male/female, light/dark, electron/proton, luke/darth vader thing gives us existence, for without this principle, there wouldn't be a universe.

for me, when considering the evils of the world, this is the primary consideration.

what you seek, you find, so take care.

one thing, amelie, - have you ever read any of the q'uo transcripts at llresearch? there's nothing i've found better to help me take heart, and be strong, and continue focusing on the light.

yours in the pursuit of peace, mark

[CAxrrAYN]

perhaps it is not our job to try and change others.
perhaps we can only change ourselves.

amelie, this might help it might not, but this quote is something ive found lately to be very important. i just got done reading the last book of the law of one series after putting it off for almost a year. there is another way you can look at positive and negative, rather than being good and bad ra said that negative can be seen as the polarity of absorption, and positive of radiation. just by being you, your kind loving self, this positive attitude towards everything will "radiate" to others and it will indeed change them for the better. how many people did steve irwin make smile just by being himself?
if you are a wanderer just simply by sitting there where your at now you are bringing light to this planet.

i know it seems hard to think of orion and others as our friends but after reading one of davids blogs ive learned that if we have a negative thought or feeling it is thier duty to offer us temptation/ or to increase that feeling just as when he have a positive emotion there are light entities waiting to feed those feelings. i try to look at a negative greeting like something we dont understand, that we fear. alot like some people fear snakes or scorpions because they dont understand them.

i heard some story somewhere about a man who was trying to help a scorpion out of the water, and the scorpion kept stinging him, and another man said why are you helping that scorpion, he just keep s stinging you? the man said it is the nature of the scorpion to sting as it is my nature to love. so it is the nature of the lost, broken and lonely orion or negative entity to greet you by trying to asborb your energy through fear, and if you love them for what they are they cannot absorb your energy and will part ways with you, knowing that they have no place.
hope this helps!

[arreskslarlig]

so "evil" can never be overcome no matter how hard we try?

well, i take that passage to mean that the interplay between the poles eventually catapults us into heaven...where apparently we are still not through battling evil but its a very different battle.

but eventually evil is overcome because nonduality means that duality, even though it is the engine of the universe, is nonetheless an illusion, in the sense that one pole really folds into the other. only good is fundamental, not evil. that's why evil is predatory - it feeds off the good because it has no inherent existence.

[dyestymum]

well said, one thing.

good reaches towards lessening of distortion, finding illumination in the sun; and evil perhaps unwittingly reaches for increased distortion, and finds infinite intrigue, deception and duplicity in the shadows of moonlight..

when these two are eventually reconciled, they with power born of wisdom and experience set in motion their creative potential to cycle back to one, to arrive home with gifts worthy of infinite intelligence.

[corsar-caribean]

perhaps it is not our job to try and change others.
perhaps we can only change ourselves.

technically speaking, trying to change others is the primary occupation of the negative polarity, isn't it? as aspirants to the positive path, we should be looking for ways to accept others, not change them.

have you ever heard of joseph campbell, amelie? he was a very intelligent author and professor. he helped inspire and inform the star wars saga. anyway, he was talking one time about the first time he visited this famous (at that time) indian mystic. the deal was you went in, and it was just the two of you, and you got to ask a question. any question.
now, prof. campbell had the good luck to ask the yogi the same question that the yogi had first asked his teacher, decades before. and it was something like, "if god is everything, and everything includes the good along with the evil, then how can we say 'no' to all the evil?"
and the yogi's answer was, "for you and me, we say 'yes'."

[XU8i6ysK]

thank you, i appreciate each person's answer, i have found them very insightful and i am impressed by the depth of understanding here.

i have been doing a lot of thinking this morning and i feel myself moving more towards the jain and buddhist philosophies.
the sun is shining outside and it makes me feel better.

just for the record, i was reading about it and think the reason for my depression is probably adrenal burn-out syndrome, so that explains a lot if my moods, tiredness and such. i will be looking at ways to solve it through diet and lifestyle.

i think the reason for my compassion is a combination of personal choice and upbringing. of course, i could be a wanderer- i'm not certain of that though.

my mother was the one who taught me the initial compassion towards other animals. (perhaps it was already in me also, but maybe the right upbringing helped).
however, i remember at a certain time, thinking to myself- how wonderful it would be to be able to understand the mysterious language of other animals.

i learned that through spending lots of time, observing animals, and simply desiring to understand........empathy develops.

i believe that this is how all empathy develops- whoever we are trying to understand.

i have always been fascinated by the wonderful variety of cultures in the world and their religions, etc. racism and prejudice is something i wish i could make people see past. i always think that if only people could take time to understand other cultures, the beauty in each of them, and how similar our beliefs are even though they are different..... .wouldn't the world be so much happier and harmonious?

ever since i was a child, i have been a "deep thinker". i can remember wanting to know what caused evil in the first place, and how it could be healed. i thought how lovely it would be to be able to heal the human soul.

when i was a little girl, i would sometimes get nightmares, and every now and then i would wake up terrified, because i thought i could feel something sinister in my room. on one of these occasions, i prayed for help and this is when i had an experience that had a lasting influence on me.
whatever it was, it felt incredibly, undeniably powerful. i have not been able to make it come back since. it seemed to come from outside of me, and was not something i seemed to control.
i felt, what can only be described as pure love- pure, unconditional love, this strong warm light pouring into my entire being and surrounding me. it felt so good i wished i could stay in it forever. what i felt was beyond words.

[Anakattawl]

yes, this has been a very enlightening discussion to read and ponder upon. while i cannot claim to understand the balance, the replies here have helped to both broaden and refocus my perspectives on "evil", or more appropriately, "the dark" (absence of light/love).

i really like what everyone has written here, especially the post from onething. the predatory aspect helps serve deeper understanding, and since love is fundamental to both polarities, helps me also understand how the two paths join at higher densities. i try not to overly concern myself with understanding beyond my current capabilities (3d), for if my reality is defined by me, any limits put on higher densities by current 3d understanding only serves to limit me. i think back to the concept of infinity when pondering this... oh so difficult to express in words...

ameliejolie, your relentless pursuit of truth has served as a catalyst for not only your personal growth, but those who read your posts and replies; similar to another member, buke80, who kept asking about oneness in another discussion. thank you for your depth of understanding and openness, your drive; we all are benefiting as we learn together.

much love to all,

art

[Gaxiciverfere]

i have heard the whole "thougt creates reality" and what you are focused on is what one will bring (speaking in reguards to the videos "what the pluck, down the rabbit hole" and "the secret" ... both dealing with quantum physics). so according to those, if one concentrates on evil, that is what one may experiance, or even see. but then again, the prime creator created everything, and everything is perfect and is how it is supposed to be, is there truely any "evil"? maybe i look into things too much