[ppaelkos]

there are two things swimming around in my brain tonight giving me a bit of trouble:

firstly, there appear to be many negative connotations attached to anything considered "new age". my burning question is: what exactly is new age and how does it compare to this "science mixed with spirituality" path that resonates with most of us here on this forum? what's the difference?

and second, i came across a web site tonight that i was not looking for. my father sent me an email and shared with me that someone said to him this evening at dinner, "watch out for the watchers in your walk". this was a couple my stepmother had invited over and those were the gentleman's exact words. weird thing for someone to say, right? i've heard of watchers before but i decided to google that word and see what came up. well obviously we're talking about aliens, reptilians, greys, demons, nephilim, whatever you want to call them. they are just plain evil. anyway, googling this word brought me to a very indepth web site describing the plot for an alien takeover of america that's already in the works, among many other things that are obviously happening in a negative vein on our planet; stuff that we don't like to think about but obviously cannot be denied. i've been exposed to much of this info already just by watching the project camelot interviews so no surprise...

i am a believer in that what we focus upon we attract into our lives so i do not dwell on the negative side but after reading what i just read i just can't shake the fact that we might have to deal with some pretty bad stuff here before it gets better. and i've heard this said before, so it's not my original thought...
just as amelie has shared... i too feel tired and just want to escape. information overload, you know? all of us realize that secrets have been kept from us and that evil is real and not an illusion so how do we deal with it all? how do we know for sure what the truth is?

and i still would like to know the definition of new age.

blessings to all,
kelly

[mikapoq]

i think "new-age" is in fact a misnomer.

how do we know for sure what the truth is? i think we must keep searching.

also, i feel that one day we will gain a higher level of consciousness beyond the illusion, where we will be able to see. we'll no longer have to read books, watch tv, surf the net or listen to accounts people give from their own limited viewpoints.

we will just know and see.

[ppaelkos]

thanks amelie...
no one else has anything to say about this? please?

[Olphander]

what is new in god?

time is an illusion, and the definition of 'new' is that it is something that is just beginning. in truth, time is flexible, another medium that we can travel through when we come to that point. in order for us to experience a direct relation of action and consequence, time had to be put in order for us, a linear time line so we can see the direct result of our actions. karma and effect

technically the new and the old exist simultaneously. in truth, none of these 'new age' ideas are even new, they've been around for a very long long time, dating back to the mayan civilizations and even earlier than that. the problem with it was simply that the changes could not hold fast, as we still had a long way to go. now those changes are coming weather we like it or not, we can either bend or break as we are seeing in the real world. every one is feeling this, lately i've been dealing with issues of anger and being judgmental.

but the real truth is that we are not on any path to any destination.. every truth, and i mean every truth, is a distortion of some greater truth. other than the direct realization that you are god, everything is a distortion. so we see here that we are not here to 'finish' anything. we are here simply to continue our journey in truth, going from one truth to the next, one realization to the next.

amy posted something about the savage sacrifice that the mayan people began back in the day. everything is a distortion of a greater truth. animal and even human sacrifice has a greater theme of personal sacrifice and surrender. there are also themes of 'death' which is a greater distortion of the them of change, letting go of the old and becoming something new.

when you look out into the world and you see the evil swarming, trying to rally their forces, to continue to oppress and force submission from the masses think of it as a rat thats been cornered. he feels threatened and begins to lash out in a last ditch effort to try and escape and continue in his existence. the best thing you can do is feel unconditional love for these people.. now it is important that you understand this does not mean you let them beat you over the head, that denies the love for yourself. keeping yourself safe while expressing love, at a distance if necessary, is a tough thing to do but in a realm of unconditional love, the selfish love of these people is simply not compatible and so they must bend or break, they must come to terms with unconditional love, or they will have to leave to continue their evolution someplace where it is compatible.

your focus is important, as you said. try not to focus on the evil in fearing it, but rather in understanding the greater themes behind what they are trying to do. focus on loving them for what they are, extensions of yourself and mirrors to the issues in your own soul. in the themes of oppression and slavery are the themes of compassion and leadership. murder is control is leadership. learn to focus on the love, not on the fear.

and as always, take what you need from this, leave the rest. i am no guru, only a soul on the path next to you, i can tell you what i've seen, but i can't show you where i've been. experience is your own gift to yourself, be love and loving!

[Anakattawl]

kelly,

i'd have to agree with what ameliejolie wrote. as for the second part of your post, i usually don't give creedence to information of that sort for more than an hour or so = passing thoughts...

any one of us would be foolish to think there aren't negative forces at work right here right now. but, there are also very beautiful forces at work too. its all in what you choose to focus on - both polarities have a place in the game and its not about "right or wrong". yes, i feel it will get worse before it gets better, but i try to imagine what that "better" is and how to go about "creating it", not what that "worse" will be...

back to the "new age" tag... i too had this same question awhile back. its just a tag that only serves to both "include" and "limit" you. inclusive by means of "hey, i'm a new ager", which to some can sum up alot of what we're about, but also could include wacky nonsense. limiting by way of, again, "i'm a new ager", but only a new ager - i don't think beyond what "this tag" means...

when my office-mate at the college described me as "chunky" (hippie), here was my reply:

...probably the best description would be "one who is devoted to the advancement of humanity through raising individual and collective consciousness." in the end, i believe we are in a state of such rapid disclosure, discovery, and merging of information that any tags are pretty much useless. an example of this growth; i read somewhere that (in america), the jobs that will be there for college freshmen upon graduation haven't even been created yet (i apologize for not remembering the source).

art

[Pharmaciest]

...a very indepth web site describing the plot for an alien takeover of america that's already in the works, among many other things that are obviously happening in a negative vein on our planet; stuff that we don't like to think about but obviously cannot be denied. i've been exposed to much of this info already just by watching the project camelot interviews so no surprise...

yes, indeed this plot is very real, and the more you focus on it the more real it becomes for you. i imagine this was brought to your attention, so that you could be aware of some of the sinister plans the ptb have in store for us. it was not allowed into your awareness to bring you fear and dread, but rather so this awareness could empower you, so that you might contemplate it and meditate on it and you will be guided as to how to re-act to it.

if you were truly better off not knowing, then it would never have appeared on the horizon of your consciousness. ok, so now you know, what do you choose to do about it? will you stand with the ones that are so terrified at the events that are unfolding before their very eyes, that they cannot even think for themselves? or will you stand with the ones that say, 'this is simply another trap that i will now choose not to fall into'. or you could instead choose a time-line that does not even contain this possibility.

with awareness comes great potential power. now you have more choices. if you remain totally unaware of any future potentialities, your choices are narrowed down to no more than a blind guess. now that you are aware you can send your powerful healing energy to this situation and if enough people do this, when the time comes, those in power will simply no longer see any need to go through with this.

above all, give thanks that this has come to your attention, because now the healing and the transmutation may begin. remember we are all one, and when you completely and wholeheartedly heal all the fear and the need to control inside of yourself, you will no longer see it manifested outside of yourself.

[pavilionnotebook]

hi kelly

to me "new age" means that you are not a part of any particular religious group per se but rather you have your own beliefs in all things spiritual, philosophical and metaphysical. really though, it's just another title, isn't it?

we can't focus on the doom and gloom scenarios of what may happen here on earth in the next four years or so. although i do believe that project camelot's work is important, it can also cause much fear in people if we let it.

remember what david said? do not focus on fear, everything is going to be alright. we will not be going through anything that we will not be able to handle. i think it's just that things are speeding up considerably as time progresses and that in itself can be a bit overwhelming at times.

it sounds like you are perhaps reading too many different things right now and it is causing you anxiety. can i suggest that rather than surfing the net for the time being, you focus on david's work and read what he has to offer. we have access to so much information in this day and age, which is a good thing, but can cause us to become unfocused as well.

no one really knows what the truth is, kelly, but we can't let it cause us to be fearful. you have to trust yourself about what you choose to believe and ask your higher self to guide you in that regard. i have found it to be so true that when you ask your higher self for help, you receive it -always.

much love

kris

[Aceroassert]

the "new age" designation carries a lot of unwanted baggage along with it. i believe that david, along with some others, are now favoring the term, "new thought". when someone calls me a "new ager" i take a shocked step backwards then quickly switch over to "the aggrieved-look ploy". i take a deep breath, put on a superior smile, and instruct otherwise. it baffles them for a few seconds, but, darn it, they bounce right back and ask:"what the heck is the difference?" i'm still pondering the best answer to that one.

billybobbutteredball

[WhiliaStelt]

hello dear kelly,

my feeling about new age thing is that i don't even go there. i take what is appropriate for me whatever i resonate with and continue along my path. i don't even consider the label only the content of what is brought to me regardless of how some might categorize of define it. i incorporate things into my being that fit without any definitions.

i have been on a process of connecting with my inner truth and i know that we can all do that. it has always been going within and asking myself what fits for me. i become aware of my frequency and see what matches. i'm not totally sure how to put this part into words yet. if i ever leave a deeper connection with myself i go back to the intent of my life and trusting the process of my higher self.

about choice i feel that you have been given such a beautiful empowering moment recently to decide what you want to be part of by your focus.

congratulations beautiful

snowflower

[ppaelkos]

thanks to you all. each one of you has given me much to consider and much to remember...
and kris, you are most definitely correct in saying that perhaps i'm reading too many different things right now which are causing me high levels of anxiety. i think that is 100% accurate my sweet friend.
i have this very annoying tendency to want to "figure it all out" and in so doing i end up all over the place... with too much conflicting information and therefore in a perpetual cycles of confusion.

i will stick with david's work for now and just be at peace.

thank you my friends,

kelly

[mikapoq]

i think i'm going to spend more time focusing on the one thing i know is true- love. love being the highest force in the universe.

just looking at the world....it is full of so many illusions and so much madness. we may never really get to the bottom of the "rabbit hole" because we don't really know who's telling the truth and who isn't. there maybe lots of misinformation out there, and lot of twisted facts to suit different people's own agendas.

one thing i know, the human state is a fragile one.

i know that worrying too much can affect a person's health.
as human beings, we can only try our best, as limited as we are.

love is the way, not fear.

[Kotyara]

hi kelly,

i feel like you do sometimes....mentally exhausted due to the information overload that is possible through surfing the web incessantly (which is what i frequently do as one interesting and intriguing subject leads to another).

i am seriously trying to limit the surfing addiction to just 2 or 3 good websites (including this one) that are positive and upbuilding. and i am meditating on simpllifying my interests and focusing attention on the truly important things....like being the love and the light. in the end, that is what will save each one of us i believe... and perhaps will help others, too.

i agree with kris regarding the new age term. to me, it applies to the beliefs of those who are open-minded to new philosophies and pseudo-scientific discoveries. it's a non-specific term that continually expands to include all that continues to be "new".

with love and light,
nancy

[mikapoq]

good advice, spiral of light.

kelly, you just gave the story of my life during the past year or so.

thanks to you all. each one of you has given me much to consider and much to remember...
and kris, you are most definitely correct in saying that perhaps i'm reading too many different things right now which are causing me high levels of anxiety. i think that is 100% accurate my sweet friend.
i have this very annoying tendency to want to "figure it all out" and in so doing i end up all over the place... with too much conflicting information and therefore in a perpetual cycles of confusion.

i will stick with david's work for now and just be at peace.

thank you my friends,

kelly

wishing us both more love and peace from now on! :d


~ emily

[ppaelkos]

thank you dear friends, and sweet tanya and nancy and emily...

nancy, you mentioned your "addiction" to surfing for information on the web and yes! that's what i do too! as much of a blessing the internet is for all of us, it can also be a hindrance if we abuse it. and i agree with your definition (and kris's) of new age...you wrote,
"to me, it applies to the beliefs of those who are open-minded to new philosophies and pseudo-scientific discoveries. it's a non-specific term that continually expands to include all that continues to be "new". " i love that...great definition.

and emily you are correct in saying that "love" is the one thing that we can all be sure of that is true. so just like you, i will focus on love and leave the rest because as you say, there are so many illusions and so much madness and misinformation... trying to get to the bottom of the rabbit hole is a ridiculous notion indeed.

tanya (snowflower),
you and kris have both mentioned higher-self which is an unusual concept for me. i suppose i've always been subconsciously aware of my higher self but i've definitely not been in-touch with that part of me. i've tended to look outside of myself for all of the answers but maybe that's where i've missed the mark. meditation anyone??? i'm working on that.
thank you for your kind and supportive words my sweetie.

listen, i just have to share this with all of you ... this is for every person who participates on this forum... at the very great risk of sounding sappy and ridiculous to some degree, you guys are all truly amazing. every single person who shares their heart here, in this special place, for the support and aid to others in need, deserves to be recognized and appreciated. the world can be a scary place sometimes and for those of us who are super-sensitive to the changes and shifts taking place right now it may be even moreso. i feel guilty sometimes because all i seem to do here is ask questions, like an incessant two-year old , but you are always gracious and loving and patient in your responses. it's a difficult thing to be vulnerable but you all make it easy. thank you for creating in this forum a "safe" place for all to ask questions and share from our hearts and our heads with one another. in the throes of my internet "addiction" i can be all over the web getting crazier by the moment, but the minute i come back here everything changes. there is a notable difference, a tangible level of peacefulness, and i wonder why i bother to stray... show me another forum that offers such love and respect to others... i doubt one exists.

thank you for making divine cosmos a special place.

blessings to you all,

kelly

[LomodiorCon]

i guess if you are asking around about what the meaning of new age is, than you aren't old enough to have been around when it first started. it has to do with the astrological progression of moving from the age of pisces to the "new age" of aquarius. the age of pisces is symbolized by the fish - which is a symbol used in christianity. the new age has become associated with the belief in reincarnation, karma and all the things that seem to follow with it. the new age is about ascension into a higher level of consciousness so we aren't too far off by saying that all of us here are "new agers". the trouble is that a lot of people don't really know what it means and think of as the extension of the age of hippies.

[mikapoq]

i feel guilty sometimes because all i seem to do here is ask questions, like an incessant two-year old you and me both, kid. :d

[Wgnhqhlg]

kac527 - show me another forum that offers such love and respect to others... i doubt one exists[quote]

by giving you all we got, a feeling comes over you... loves pulling closer... sweet as the gravity.


one 66

[ppaelkos]

okay mike... that's great information and it does ring a bell (i was young but i remember the song... wasn't it earth wind and fire?).
your explaination puts it all into perspective so thank you.

yes mark...you're exactly right

kelly

[@Aerodyno@]

there are always at any given moment billions of eyes upon us, they are not all good and not all evil. many have no thread of direct interaction planned with us at all. some simply record, some work out probabilities, because that's what they do and that's it. others are trying to set up intesections for us with not such good circumstances others try to warn us to turn from our path in order to help us avoid disasters.
we have always been watched and watched over, from the beginnining i think. that thought alone reasures me since we are still here and are still relatively intact. i really don't think that at this stage of our development we could do anything to impact our relationship with the watchers. our actions will effect only the ones who are bent on interefering with us. i think the watchers are self monitoring, self governing, self policing and are way beyond us. i think for those who defy the edict of watching alone without interfering with us, things don't go so good in the end, because of the basic law of the universe which says "that which you interfere with you become." if they come down here to play with us, they get stuck in the earth karma and they end up becoming us. some may choose to do this as sacrifice knowing that they will bring with them many, many good things that will help here. others have almost a moth and flame relationship with us, daring to see how far they can go before they get stuck. still others do it to hide. but the great majority of watchers never know what it is to be trapped in earth karma or a human form. they never enter into the evolutionary karmic stream of humankind. other watchers have already gone through the whole thing and have come out the other end wanting to do nothing more than help us come out of it successfully too and to ascend to the next level as easily and completely as possible.
of those who watch us and everything else in the universe, there are several major groups in charge of keeping the balance. some are passive watchers while others are active or intercessionary watchers. some function in conjunction with the divine plan of creation, some are rogues and act only upon their own agendas, and others act in group effort to try to derail creation. most deliberate very carefully before finally entering into our space-time continuum. some can do so by special means that prevents them from getting stuck here. some are sent with special dispensations of light and healing. many have been stuck here since before we were put here. their very bodies and beings compose the very matter of our world and our own bodies, or those that we borrow while we are here. most of humanity is only passing through this world. we agreed to take on this attritional journey to work out our own ignorance of the law, and also to allow others to touch in with us and experience our sensations without themselves incarnating here. no matter how extensive the miriad of infinite experiences that can occur here, we are here to experience them all. so fear, really in the long run doesn't make sense, since we will have to go through everything at least once anyway. this is our sacrifice to the whole. we allow ourselves to become imprisoned for a certain period of time, so that we can learn the path of energy and force in every situation. our suffering is not for us alone. our liberation is not for us alone either. so this idea that it will all end or all begin all over again, its just part of the program. there are no secrets for all has been witnessed watched and comprehended. everything is unfolding in time and on time. and if creation doesn't seem to work out to the taste of everyone this time around, there are an infinite number of do overs waiting in the wings, all with different endings to satisfy every idea of perfection. all the plots and plans and secrets, are after all a great source of entertainment. it's such fun trying to second guess the creator and the universe. a journey into the hall of mirrors to look at ourselves in every possible variation.
so watch out for those watchers, for some of us have already seen them, and they are us!
l

[nTDsD0aU]

hey kelly,
i can definitely relate to all you are going through right now. when i first discovered the "shadow government" and realized that there is so much going on behind the scenes that i was not aware of i was hungry for information.

i could not believe that i had been lied to to the extent that i had and so i set out to find out everything i could about everything. i surfed the net for hours a day. i watched video after video, read conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory, hopped from one scary website to another. (although luckily i had divine cosmos to come home to)

now i feel like i know all i need to know about what is really going on in this world.(and plenty about what certain groups would like us to think is going on) and i have decided that while i am glad that i have a good idea of what is really happening behind the scenes there is no need for me to focus on the evil bad scary stuff. that's not me. i needed to know what was happening and now i do. i can let it be now and focus on what my part is, what role do i play.

and my part is much more focusing on the positive, working on myself to try and become more of a light to others. my part is to dance and laugh and sing. to find the joy in day to day activities. plant a garden, love the earth, love , love , love. (and yes, i do still have days where i get grumpy and this is the last thing i feel like doing)

so kelly what is your part? i think you know.

as for what new age is i do feel that it is just a label but here is wikipedias definition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/new_age

happy days,

love megan