[Dayreive]

coming from a long-term interest in eastern spirituality, but only a recently somewhat serious study of hinduism. i feel to those without such a background, i feel i could expound upon some of the more obvious and less obvious mentioning of it in the ra material. going through these raises an enormous amount of questions. it is now apparent that ra gave numerous obvious, and some less obvious, prodding for the group to explore certain aspects of eastern religion and culture. i shall point them out.

the correlations
1. most strikingly and obviously... the philosophy of the upanishads, the philosophical writings of hinduism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/upanishads
"the upanishads are summed up in one phrase तत् त्वं असि "tat tvam asi" (that thou art) by the advaita vedanta and they believe that in the end, the ultimate, formless, inconceivable brahman is the same as our soul, atman. we only have to realize it through discrimination."

2. here i shall point out other references to hinduism and eastern spirituality.

"prana" - instead of saying "life energy", or any of the equivalents such as "qi or chi". he uses the eastern term.

"sanskrit" - here ra says of sanskrit: "these sound vibration complexes have power before time and space and represent configurations of light which built all that there is."
he also says that magical workings may be done without words of power, but "there is no need for the blunt instrument when the scalpel is available."

"sutras" - ra says of the various subtle bodies - "there are many other names for this body especially in your so-called indian sutras or writings, for there are those among these peoples which have explored these regions and understand the various types of devachanic bodies."

more subtly, ra also refers to third density physical reality as an illusion, a word also used extensively in the eastern religions. he also refers to the bodies taken in incarnations as "clothing", an allegory specifically and repeatedly used in the bhagavad-gita .

conclusion

i do not wish to push an eastern viewpoint on anyone, i simply feel people may not have been aware of these connections.
it is my desire to find ways to accelerate my spiritual development as well as possible. i would have liked the group to ask ra about some of the more powerful sanskrit words or mantra, although it takes only a cursory glance in culture to reveal what in modern day is the most well-regarded aum is used by hindus, buddhists, jains, and sikhs alike. as well, i have tried many mantras, imho find that aum alone remains the most powerful. for people who have great difficulty meditating, like me, this is a great place to start.

as well, i would be interested in seeing other channelers exploring these concepts further, especially as to which out of the mountain of hindu writings, which are the most useful.

[arreskslarlig]

i have not decided what to think of the ra material.

let us say it is an authentic source. in this case, ra would speak truth, and that truth would be reflected more or less in various religions as well as individual revelation. personally, i find hinduism to contain perhaps the most truth and/or the least handicap (distortions or deceptions that hinder progress). an example of a deception that hinders progress (given to us by our good friends in 4d negative, who are just faithfully doing their jobs) is the idea of a punitive and unforgiving god. this frightens souls and paralyzes them, both on the conscious level and the unconscious.

the unity of all things can and has become apparent to people in various circumstances. the holy spirit is my teacher, and taught me that god is everything and everything is god. from this i began to extrapolate more truth. later, i found it corroborated in advaita, in alternative science, and most recently in many of david wilcock's works.

it seems to me that one can with deep contemplation see that all things being god and there being no separation is the only possibility, and that this is more to be desired than picking a particular philosophy.

[Dayreive]

hinduism has also been the religion most closely allied with me, and along with jung, and now to a certain extent, the i-ching, my greatest influence.

i will admit though that as i started reading the ra material deeper, it is the conspicuous references to it that led me deeper into it. now i love the bhagavad-gita which is beautiful in it's conciseness, simplicity, organization and depth. such can hardly been said of such slapped-together works as the bible (though the gospel of thomas, perhaps the oldest gospel, a gospel of sayings from jesus, by itself is very good)

the point of this post was somewhat of a criticism of the ra group for being very ethnocentric for the somewhat limited concepts of western christianity.
there are many, many more questions that i would like to ask, obviously, and i am perusing meditation partially because i think that through my increasing lucidity of dreams, and stillness of mind, i may be able to receive the answers that way. however good knowledge of these great works sharpens the mind so that one would be able to know what questions to ask. as such i can unequivocally recommend the gita, the i-ching, and the works of carl jung.

personally i do tend to think that ra is a legitimate source, however it is good to know that his essential philosophy is referenced to in most of the upanishads, as part of an unbroken hindu writing tradition stretching from 1500 bc to modern day. this is also, btw, an example of how a religion should evolve. note how the catholic church brutally murdered the knights exemplar, and all other non-catholic sects. yep, we don't see any more until the 1500s. and these (protestant) are obviously not mystic traditions. another funny note, martin luther, john calvin, john wesley, said that as an article of faith, you must believe that the pope is the antichrist. protestant-catholic marriages were deeply shunned until the 60's. i'm sure many of your grandparents still feel that way.

[moderator: since the thread this subject has been post in is loo thread, this is being moved to general discussions. law of one thread is very specifically here for loo discussion only]

[arreskslarlig]

jivatman,

the i ching - how interesting. i just decided last week to go to the bookstore and perhaps buy a copy.

i have the gita, but have never read it. i have started it a couple of times.


the point of this post was somewhat of a criticism of the ra group for being very ethnocentric for the somewhat limited concepts of western christianity.

i am wondering here by ra group - do you mean the people who channeled ra or do you mean the group speaking as "i am ra."

(though the gospel of thomas, perhaps the oldest gospel, a gospel of sayings from jesus, by itself is very good)

i was just mentioning the gospel of thomas on another thread...
i am interested to know what sorts of questions you have. not because i have answers, but to see how someone else's mind works on these things.

this is also, btw, an example of how a religion should evolve. note how the catholic church brutally murdered the knights exemplar, and all other non-catholic sects.

sigh. for some reason, western spirituality seems particularly prone to negative influences.

and these (protestant) are obviously not mystic traditions.
yes, you're right there. i consider the reformation to be a fizzled one. mostly it was just a rebellion against tyranny. so far as i can tell they had just one important, mystical revelation, and that is to trust one's own judgment and not have a mediator between the person and god.

[Dayreive]

1. indeed i meant the ra group itself... though on second though, the questions were quite good anyway. hindsight is 20/20 though, the only thing that really bugged me is i wanted more references to some of the more effective mantras, as this was mentioned multiple times.

2. it would take a while to compile all the questions i would want the answer to, and to come up with a list of priorities, but i can certainly think of some major ones right away.

3. about the i-ching yes... it's unbelievable. far simpler and more direct in it's answers than tarot, but it's also more than divination. it's a book of wisdom, as each image also has wisdom that goes along with it. each image is also beautiful, natural poetry. there's a ton of numerology in it to be analyzed as well. it always surprises me how much more tarot gets used than this. every major figure in chinese though was either heavily influenced by or wrote extensive commentaries on the it.

the questions
1. the vedas and the i-ching are the most well-preserved and oldest of all ancient literature. can you tell me about their origin, purpose, and meaning? as well, was is the "soma" referenced in the vedas?
2. many polytheistic religions at points did had understandings of the law of one. often they are direct representations of the planets, but not always. can you elaborate on the use of gods as anthropomorpised principles of the one creator?
3. [mention of drugs deleted here-not on-topic for dc forum]
4. didymos thomas, neither were really names, but they are actually the greek and hebrew names for twin. also, it is clear that the gospel of thomas represents by far the most authentic picture of jesus (and the one most supported by ra, remember he mentions jesus using veiled parables). what is the significance of the "twin" analogy, as well as the general significance of the incarnation of him.
5. as well, what are the "five trees in heaven"?
6. i noticed that the two hundred years around 3000 bc. seem to be particularly busy, including: the birth of abraham(3000), the writing of the i-ching(2800) the start of the war in the mahabharata(3102) , the unification of the upper and lower kingdoms of egypt (3150)
7. we have two systems of astrology, vedic and western. one uses the sidereal zodiac, the other, the tropical. can you tell me what the use (or superiority) of each is?
8. can you tell me about the use of yantras, the ankh, the gnostic cross, and any other symbols in magical working?
9. you do not mention the words in enochian magic as useful. i, as well as linguists assume it is essentially a fraud. is it?
10. it is believed that in egypt there is a place where atlantean knowledge is stored. as well, herodotus (most well respected historian of ancient world. once ridiculed, yet more and more of his writings are being proven). said he personally visited a "labyrinth" that was more glorious than the pyramids. can you tell me about it?

[Mifsnavassy]

as i read these posts, i find that i am fast becoming part of
" the path that was chosen for me"

i feel that i have fallen into some rather unique company and i feel at peace with that. one of the concepts that have become important to me is meditation. i don't know if this has been discussed here before but, i find it fits in well with the above posts.

so now i am wondering just how many of the readers here meditate?

perhaps a moderator can help me with this. should i start a new thread and ask this question?

[arreskslarlig]

jivatman,

you have a load interesting questions. remember that ra said he was to answer only that which was asked. he didn't really volunteer new lines of querry.

you seem to have read much more of it than i. what i am looking for is better explanations of negative 4th, 5th, and 6th densities. to me, this is crucial for understanding how things might work. he has a little detail about 4th, but almost none at all about 5th or 6th.

you seem very interested in mantras. i have considered them mainly useful for focusing or quieting the mind, one of the tricks to entering samadhi. but why would it be needed to use a particular language? granted, they speak of certain sound vibrations, but i also think it should be a language you understand fluently.

why are you assuming that the anthropomorphised belief in gods was useful?

6. i noticed that the two hundred years around 3000 bc. seem to be particularly busy, including: the birth of abraham(3000), the writing of the i-ching(2800) the start of the war in the mahabharata(3102) , the unification of the upper and lower kingdoms of egypt (3150)

i thought these things were later. abraham maybe 2000 bc. how sure are these dates?

[Dayreive]

many of us have long ached for clarity and purity of spirit in the same way that normal people crave water and food. myself, long lacking the emotional/spiritual stability of persuing meditation, nutrition, and excersize have long found it to be a mental pursuit, until a few months ago.

as for meditation, as you may note above, i can reccomend the use of mantras. as well, my favorite silent meditation (the first one i learned, as well) is the inner star meditation.

http://www.actualism.org/articles/part1.html

and welcome to our community gort. i'm sure that you, as i, will find your path soon coming into clarity. i find it prudent to act both as if 2012 will happen and as it not. this is not exactly a paradox. i pursue the spirit and in each moment, yet continue my gathering of knowledge to help others. on 2012, we'll see what happens.

[Anakattawl]

so now i am wondering just how many of the readers here meditate?

hey gort,

while i cannot speak for anyone else here, i think its safe to say that most of us do meditate, in our own unique ways. i've found that meditation is unique to each of us and there aren't too many "rules" to follow other than maintaining a silent mind and keeping your spine straight. achieving this silence is one of the bigger roadblocks...

dw posted awhile back on two types of meditation - contemplative and concentrative. if i remember correctly, contemplative is all about experiencing the energetic flow of oneness through your being and having a conscious remembrance of the experience. concentrative, on the other hand, is about creating.

another "hint", if i may - its helpful to have clear intentions for each meditation. from my personal experience, sometimes i meditate to heal, sometimes to project love, sometimes to gain knowledge, etc. intent allows you to focus.

if you want to side-step searching through previous posts i'd suggest posting a new thread. membership is growing, so there's bound to be more input in addition to whats already here.

hope this helps.

art

[Mifsnavassy]

thank you jivatman for the welcome.

i too am preparing for the events that are to come. if they do not, it is because we have changed that by intensifying and projecting our thoughts.
i am viewing the near future as a time of great healing. a time where knowledge and truth will be at the center of existence and the evolution of consciousness will move upward to the next plateau. i believe that there exists energy that we have yet to learn of, and it is because of that, we will have to understand how to apply it before we will have access to it. part of my journey has been that of an instructor and once i understand what needs to be done, i will then help lift up those that seek the same path. it is good to be here with all of you. we are all working on lighting that path together.

[Dayreive]

your right... for some reason i lapsed. the birth of abraham was more around 2000bc .

the one for the mahabharata is rather speculative, but it's the most used and most accepted number. the one for egypt is somewhat more certain. the i-ching one is considered rather accurate.

you can find these all on wikipedia.

[arreskslarlig]

gort, and all

re meditation. it seems i've always considered myself too lazy to meditate...just recently, one of my favorite authors clarified something for me. he says, of contemplation:

this is the most fruitful and meaningful activity of spiritual work. with very little practice, one can acquire the capacity to function in the world with only minor interruption of ...contemplation. although contemplation and reflection may seem less intense, [than sit-down meditation] actually they wear away the obstacles.

and i realized that what i have been for years is a contemplative. a large part of what i do is maintain an awareness of the inner presence of god.

but, i also do [specific anme], a binaural beat meditation technology for about 4 years now, and i consider it very powerful, despite that its owner and founder engages in endless hype and marketing.

[dyestymum]

gort, and all

re meditation. it seems i've always considered myself too lazy to meditate...just recently, one of my favorite authors clarified something for me. he says, of contemplation:

this is the most fruitful and meaningful activity of spiritual work. with very little practice, one can acquire the capacity to function in the world with only minor interruption of ...contemplation. although contemplation and reflection may seem less intense, [than sit-down meditation] actually they wear away the obstacles.

and i realized that what i have been for years is a contemplative. a large part of what i do is maintain an awareness of the inner presence of god.

but, i also do [specific name], a binaural beat meditation technology for about 4 years now, and i consider it very powerful, despite that its owner and founder engages in endless hype and marketing.

yeah, me too.

i've been a contemplative meditator all my life. i vividly recall being in my crib at naptime, standing with my hands on the rails and being able to conjure up vivid, dancing images before my eyes, so solid that they would blot out the vision of my room. i wish i could remember more of what i saw, then.

as a youth, i read books on meditation, and found little success at stilling the mind - mantras and single pointed visualizations i could never properly achieve.

i have realized though that i am a natural at the contemplative route, and as i look back at my life, realize that i have spent most of it in deep contemplation.

whereas i have worried in recent years as regards meditation and feeling i may be missing out on something vital, i now feel that this has been in vain, as i realize i have been doing it all along.

sometimes, i catch myself in a meditation, not realizing the depths of a reverie until something 'awakes' me with a start, and at other times my natural inclination to contemplate my inner world causes problems when i am 'supposed' to be engaging in more social discourse.

the presense of my ladyfriend can thrust me into deep spiritual reverie of almost ecstatic proportions, and this can cause problems, too, especially when she has a lot to say about her day!

in fact, ra has said that this can be a feature of energy exchange between those of opposite sex; the man gaining spiritual vitality, the woman gaining in physical vitality.

gotta cut it short, i'm going over to kris' to talk about our day!:d

i really enjoyed the quote given--thanks, onething!

[corsar-caribean]

good to know there are more hinduism buffs out there.

usually when i have questions, my first stop is the search page at ll research:

http://www.llresearch.org/search.htm

tons of good stuff there.

namaste