[UBJ3kvP1]

i have spent the last three years writing about spiritual enlightenment and discoveries that i have made while working with hypnosis and nlp. i have pretty much integrated most of davids stuff into my stuff because it all fits together. i am finishing a new book [ email for name] and i have come to an interesting conclusion that i would like to share.
at the surface structure of life, there are so many things that are wrong, bad, seriously screwed and criminal. it is easy to become enraged, mad, involved, activated and revolutionary. here comes the fun part. when you consider the mission of third density awareness, and consider that duality has a real purpose-to teach us about making choices, and the consequences of those choices, thereby teaching us about love because that is about having free will to choose.... that is when it hits hard. you can't really protest about all the bad stuff going on in the world because it is the greatest catalyzer of them all. the world is perfect - to trap consciousness inn the "game" until it learns to recognize the illusions, discover self as spirit and chose polarization.
getting all riled up over the bad stuff is a possible distraction that can keep us from being true lights in the darkness.
this does bring me to my point. i would like to hear what others think. how much should we engage ourselves in changing the system? if the system is perfect for teaching soul to get out of the system - isn't it better to focus energy on helping people wake up to exiting the system instead of changing it or making it better? what do you think?
mike from norway

[Assentesy]

wow, that is a great question. i feel that when we see something wrong with the world we first should not get mad about it, becasue i feel this doesnt help the planet. we should not protest either, but we should take action. the type of action is key. the iraq war for example, if we want change we should picture peace, rather than anti war, or "war" against "terrorists" wich are humans too, because with "anti" you are fighting negative with negative, wich in my opinion doesnt make positive. and 7000 people meditating on peace helped alot more than anti war rallies.
another example of this is the war on drugs, war on cancer, fight against aids etc..the negative (anti) energy is given to the problem (the disease) rather than its victims, if we focused on save our addicts, or cure the sick, maybe we would have a more compassionate and positive outcome.

wich is why i believe conservation is more succesful on average, because the focus is on helping the animal(s), the save the whales campaign worked, if it were the "anti whalers of the world" campaign it might not have been as successful.

i agree that without bad there is no good, and if it werent for "bad" events in my life i would probably be your typical college student, and never discover this wonderful website. so basically i agree with what your saying, that we should definelty not get mad or protest or be revolutionaries etc, but if we focus on what we feel is right in our gut or what weve always loved to do then you will fall into your role in helping others and the planet and that in itsefl will change the system for better. i bet steve irwin never anticipated his fame, he just pursued his passion.
glad to see you are tying this stuff together, keep up the good work!

[arreskslarlig]

yes, absolutely it is best to focus on helping people to wake up. that is the deeper layer which is real cause of the mess - that people are gullible and can't tell truth from a lie and fall for elaborate belief structures. if they weren't like that, all the wrong and bad stuff would have very little staying power.

gullibility is half the problem, greed is the other.

well i don't have the answer but you are right to call it a paradox. think of the good results of people getting involved. it seems to me that we have such a phrase as "evil triumphs when the good do nothing" because of the nature of evil - it is greedy and wants to overtake and control at the expense of other beings. and it never rests. whereas the good just wants to live and let live. the fact that the populace is often complacent and uninvolved, and have to be urged to vote, actually in part reflects that a lot of decent people just don't want to have the price of their freedom be eternal vigilance!

yet if we don't fight against oppression, evil gets out of hand. when they fight back, the results can be very positive. constantly fighting back is the only way for a semblance of good life to be possible, and it’s a fight i don't have the stomach for. it’s boring and futile. i have asked the universe for years now, to let me reincarnate on another planet. it hadn't occurred to me that the problem isn't about this planet, but that i just don't want to be immersed in this type of situation anymore.

so, the fighting back is a necessary part of the 3rd density lesson process, through the constant confrontation with deception and having to fight or getting disillusioned with lies that you have bought into.

i could pose this question another way. since you really can't help people until they are ready, why write books? have you noticed that a spiritual book that resonates with you is one in which you have almost learned the very lessons it proposes to teach? if they are too far beyond you, the book won't interest you. at the same time, i can't imagine where i would be now without books. books have been my primary spiritual teachers. those who say you can only get so much from reading due to its being a mentation are only partly right - because books have been a catalyst for me and taken me beyond mentation.

seeing through the deceptions, i get more and more sparing about getting involved. yet supporting david wilcock is a form of getting involved, and i think it is pretty crucial. i also get somewhat involved in donating or letter writing on issues of government coercion in regards to food access or forced vaccinations because if they mandate vaccination i will quit my job. i don't want to actually let them ruin my health. i want to see this 2012 thing through, as i am certain i was born for it.

so while i actually agree strongly with your premise, it is difficult to justify being completely uninvolved since i am stuck here for now.

[UBJ3kvP1]

involvement is absolutely necessary, even while being informed. i write because it helps to make a map for people that are looking to figure things out. when i first started i saw shirly mcclain's film out on a limb. that was my map for making my own verifications. that was not enough though. i discovered a much deeper level of perception and insight after 17 years with hypnosis and client work and teaching nlp. i think david has pointed out that it is not enough to know you are spirit in a temporary body, but you really need to realize the spiritual rules and tools that you have available. these take a while to develop. by putting some focus on that personal development i think we come closer to the passion that tells us what we are here to do. another point that i had to deal with when i had been writing for some time was what ra mentioned - "we do not count the numbers that receive help from this work". by helping even a few, it is still helping. as i dwell over my own perception of the paradox, i come even further into the rabbit hole where there is peace and light. mike from norway

[obegeLype]

it's a question i myself have pondered a lot over the years.

i think what we really need to do is just follow our heart.

take regular time out just to be alone and be able to tune in to our higher self.

[WomanBreast40356]

how much should we engage ourselves in changing the system? if the system is perfect for teaching soul to get out of the system - isn't it better to focus energy on helping people wake up to exiting the system instead of changing it or making it better? what do you think? if the question is specifically about changing world structures i agree with you, as they say in the ra material, changing the structure is not the most important thing as love goes freely where it is needed, so the most service can be done in our immediate surroundings, in our daily life with all the people and situations we encounter. but of course it is possible to be of service by changing structures, if somebody wants to change the structure of the system, it depends totally with what intention he/she does this.
there are not so much enlightened politicians around, a lot of them are not doing it from a 4d perspective and how politics is organised is just very tricky and superficial... hence politricks
there is the example of abraham lincoln etc... personally i find it very interesting to think about the current world structure, the assumptions lying behind it, like our free market system, globalisation etc and of course possible alternatives. but i also see a lot of people who think about world structures are actually in a kind of anti-state, they are anti this current structure and will protest against this but do not offer anything essentially new.
for the most important thing is that the current structure does not change anything to our ability to develop oneself and be of service. as ghandi said, be the change you want to see in the world.

for me this also relates to the question of how to be of service.
through actions or through being. both are very usefull and it depends from person to person what tickles the most.
this is also said in the ra material, some people just have an extreme inner peace and through this they help the earth vibration in general without really doing something active, other people are very active in actually doing concrete things and changing the world and doing service to others like that. i think it depends what people are drawn to and that there is no one or correct way. service goes where service is asked and seen.
ra also explained this pretty well in the following example:

session 42:
questioner: i would like to try to make an analogy for third-density of this concept. many entities here feel great compassion for relieving the physical problems of third-density other-selves by administering to them in many ways, with food if there is hunger as there is now in the african nations, by bringing them medicine if they feel that there is a need to minister to them medically, and being selfless in all of these services to a very great extent.

this is creating a vibration that is in harmony with green-ray or fourth-density but it is not balanced with the understanding of fifth-density that these entities are experiencing catalysts and a more balanced administration to their needs would be to provide them with the learning necessary to reach the state of awareness of fourth-density than it would be to minister to their physical needs at this time. is this correct?

ra: i am ra. this is incorrect. to a mind/body/spirit complex which is starving, the appropriate response is the feeding of the body. you may extrapolate from this.

on the other hand, however, you are correct in your assumption that the green ray response is not as refined as that which has been imbued with wisdom. this wisdom enables the entity to appreciate its contributions to the planetary consciousness by the quality of its being without regard to activity or behavior which expects results upon visible planes. greets,
Unknown

[dyestymum]

when you consider the mission of third density awareness, and consider that duality has a real purpose-to teach us about making choices, and the consequences of those choices, thereby teaching us about love because that is about having free will to choose.... that is when it hits hard. you can't really protest about all the bad stuff going on in the world because it is the greatest catalyzer of them all. the world is perfect - to trap consciousness inn the "game" until it learns to recognize the illusions, discover self as spirit and chose polarization.
getting all riled up over the bad stuff is a possible distraction that can keep us from being true lights in the darkness.
this does bring me to my point. i would like to hear what others think. how much should we engage ourselves in changing the system? if the system is perfect for teaching soul to get out of the system - isn't it better to focus energy on helping people wake up to exiting the system instead of changing it or making it better? what do you think?
mike from norway

comprising everything manifest in the observable distortion we call the universe has at it's root of being two equal/opposite polarities. the so called positive polarity consists of an outrushing or shall we say giving force, whereas the negative polarity consists of an in-pulling, or gathering force.

because this is the way the universe is designed, and indeed why there is a field or backdrop against which anything can move and have beingness at all, it's not surprising to see this same positive/negative, giving/gathering, sto/sts, flowing circuit effect showing up in the world of human interaction. without both positive and negative polarization, there would only be the potential for anything happening, but nothing actually happening. (potential vs. kinetic energy)

ra mentions the sinkhole of indifference holding those without polarity, or in other words any normal person who enters 3d experience having newly gained their self awareness. they face many thousands of years of learning the lessons necessary to become aware of the need to polarize either pos. or neg.

until then, they are much like free electrons milling about in the space in and around an electrical circuit, unable to escape the magnetic field of the circuit, yet not firmly grasping (or becoming) either pole to experience the full torrent of the energetic flow (harvestability).

the galvanizing of one into accruing to one pole or the other is the sole purpose of the drama of 'worldly' affairs (aside from the sheer experiencing by the creator of itself), and as one so polarizes they in some ways cease to be a participant in much of the trage/comedic illusion that so totally absorbs those 'dreamers' yet unawakened.

those so polarizing can't help but see that it is a great illusion, and see no point in pretending that it is anything but.

these (i prefer only to speak of those positively polarizing) then are seized into the somewhat awkward position of seeing those around them still believing in the reality of the illusion, still totally personally invested into the percieved reality of the 3d set-up.

as it is natural for them to want their friends and loved ones to awaken, and although they who are awakened see the vital importance of the 'matrix' in the growth of persons towards polarization, it is for each to use their own unique talents and abilities when investigating how best to serve those as yet unpolarized.
-mark

[UBJ3kvP1]

i agree, very well understood - like the metaphor
mike from norway

[dyestymum]

thanks, mike.

implicit with gaining inner perception of the law of one comes the wise whisper, "let it be"..when contemplating the human drama.

another paradox.. aiding in the minimalization of distortion while at the same time, harbouring full acceptance of all there is, as it is.

it's the beauty of becoming which resolves this paradox. an upward pull fully accepting of the status quo!

here, an understanding of infinite patience.

forever yours, mark

[Romarionsion]

good question mike. in my understanding, the vast majority of people are living their lives largely unconscious. unconscious of their environment and the impact their actions have on others etc. from their point of view the earth seems a chaotic place. they are mainly demonstrating that by feeling separate from the 'light' that could be consciously theirs. this awareness though has to be worked for through incarnations...many incarnations, and they will gain this awareness but not before they are ready. people cannot be forced into growth.

as i have heard others say, 'the earth is in a state of darkness', but i believe the light is coming. look no further then this site. here we are demonstrating that we either have woken up or are in a state of waking.

the system that the earth is being operated on is indeed perfect. at least in my understanding. the state of this planet is not a true reflection of the employment of it's system, but rather of the poor choices of it's inhabitants, who are actively worshipping the altar of the mind and thus reinforcing this darkness of which you spoke of.

[arreskslarlig]

mike

i sent a pm to you asking about the ebook you wrote on enlightenment. maybe i did it wrong?

[UBJ3kvP1]

ra: i am ra. this is incorrect. to a mind/body/spirit complex which is starving, the appropriate response is the feeding of the body. you may extrapolate from this.

on the other hand, however, you are correct in your assumption that the green ray response is not as refined as that which has been imbued with wisdom. this wisdom enables the entity to appreciate its contributions to the planetary consciousness by the quality of its being without regard to activity or behavior which expects results upon visible planes.
greets,
Unknown

i remember this line about feeding the hungry. all the responses to my post have been helpful for me to try and sort out the differences between futile activity and helpful activity. great discussion.
mike