[Olphander]

proof of karma?

i think the main thing to point out here is that the only judge and jury for karma is yourself. that is to say, when we evaluate our lives when the veil is lifted, the one who weighs and balances karma is in fact our selves, with the help of the creator of course.

through out the cayce information, they talk about what karma is and what it means. it is the balancing of our choices for good or bad so that we can return to the creator full of experiences. we are not judged by outsiders, god or other celestial beings, we are judged and evaluated by ourselves.

now the wisdom in such an act goes beyound the simple judging and evaluation. when it comes time to pay up for that debt, you will only do so when you know yourself to be ready. this could be in the same life time, or several life times later. since the veil keeps us from accurately remembering those past lifes in detail, it would be difficult to remember those exact exchanges. on the smaller scale karma can be thought to be cause and effect.

just being angry you begin to see how this sprials out from yourself to affect your situation. as they say a bad day usualy starts out that way, with something starting out that upsets you or makes you angry and unhappy. i often see this, so long as i'm in a crappy mood, my day stays crappy for the most part. only after i've spent a little time working on my mood does it seem to improve. other than that i can't think of any possible way to prove karma since it is not something you may encounter one right after the event, though it is getting more frequent as we approach 2012.

[V8V8V8]

ewhaz said it all-the only judge and jury for karma is yourself.

that being said, let me share a story.(hope i dont bore to many with my winded stories)

my brother and i are very close. yet, we walk different paths in life sometimes. he is still stuck in his careless living days which keeps getting him into trouble. ive kinda became his logic voice over the past few years. he has dived deep into dangers of drugs and careless living. when he has a moment of being clean, we talk about many things. he knows what i say is right. i advise him what tools he can use(will have to use) in order for his life not to be so chaotic. yet from a addicts point of veiw, its easier said then done. he goes through phases of using and not. he has had the basic troubles of jail, loosing the trust that others place in him, and most of all, he has lost his balance in the world around him. but, there are times where he glimpses much clarity on what i say. we live next door to eachother, so he cant escape me*smiles*

there are many times, when i know he is not straight, that i dont want him around me. the vibes are strong vibes of that he knows, that i know, and he knows, im right. his guilt of feeling week due to his giving in to his want to use is so overwhelming, i cant be around him. even my dog has picked up on the fact that i cant be around my brother in these darker moments.

my dog is awesome, he seems so aware of things, people, what people want and like. my dog sees my brother allll the time, but in the times when i pick up bad vibes, so does my dog, and he will even make it hard for my brother to enter my home when i would rather him not be there. the only person my dog ever tried to bite-yep, my brother. he was literally pulling my brother by the back of the pants leg, pulling him back off my porch. this is after much warning my dog gave him to not come any closer. he pulled and pulled, and when my brother continued to go up the porch, my dog bit the back of his leg. this very night, there was very strong vibes from me that i did not want to see my brother, i knew he had been using(we are not talking about a little weed, we are talking big stuff here)....i couldnt help but to almost laugh when my brother made it through my door telling me about my dog not letting him in.

a few nights later, my brother had still been on this *ride* lets say, i hadnt been talking to him or anything. he knew, i did not want to see him. he decided late in the evening that he would come over(see when people do certain drugs, they like to talk) he was hoping that he could play it off that he was ok and wasnt doing anything wrong ect...which brings him more bad karma i think. he didnt make it half way into my yard. my dog barking and standing his ground disturbed my brother enough, he tripped when his foot went into a hole(we have walked the grounds of this yard time and time again). he couldnt hardly get up to walk he twisted his ankle so bad. he didnt attempt this night to go further, he went back home . when he told me of this the next day, i smiled at him and told him he should know better by now not to try to come around when he is in this state of mind.

this might not be karma-but i truely feel that his thoughts and mine, collide now and then, and actually act off of eachothers. we have talked about this many times. in his times of being clean(which has been straight clean for a few weeks now*yes*), he agrees with me 100% on my ideas of why things bad happen to him when he comes around me while using.

the last time my brother used, he came over late that night. i could tell he was lying to me, i caught him in the lie. i told him that he needed to just go home. he decided to go out with a friend that night. low and behold, he went to jail. the anger that i had that night when i knew he was lying to me was so powerful. i even warned myself not to let too much of the vibe portray on him, for i knew my anger in that moment was very intense. but i couldnt help it. time and time again, he has tried to be in denial around me. time and time again i have warned him not to do this. i remember telling my parents that night, after i heard he had left the house, that the only thing that would help him right now is some time in jail to get clean. ironically enough, while he was in jail, the house phones on both houses was shut down. everyone he knew that could of helped him get out early had only cell phones, which he couldnt call collect. they gave him his one call, which he did call to let dad know he was in jail. this was a big issue for him staying in jail because as soon as my parents hear him cry, fuss, or ask for help, they are right there getting him out of trouble. it was so hard for us to let him stay there a while. we all knew the withdrawals he would go through while sitting in a room about the size of my bathroom with 3 other people. we knew he would get physically sick from the withdrawals(throwing up and diarrhea). i literally fell asleep that first night at my kitchen table. i couldnt bring myself to go to bed. after about a week, the phones were working again, he called crying to mom, and he was out that day. since then, he has been on a so far great path to recovering and learning. he still has a long way to go, for like i said, these are the big drugs, he has been playing for a long time. he has to change his whole life style. hopefully he will continue to let me help him.

i think my dogs intuition was picking up on my feelings, and he acted in the normal way dogs do. he wanted to protect. was it karma? i dont know, but i get this funny tickle feeling like i want to laugh when i see how hard it is for him to come around me when i dont want him around.

similar thing happened with my ex-husband. i had finally had enough of his using(i know, it seems like everyone ive known has had this problem). the day i decided enough was enough, i couldnt help him(or he wouldnt let me help him, whichever), i was praying, meditating, whatever you want to call it. i actually had a moment of despair in my thoughts. i was so angry at the fact that he would not take my advise, he would not try to change, he kept lying and denying, and the anger was towards him that i now was going to have to have a broken family. oh the hurt and pain of this. letting go of my belief that marriage was forever and you must stay by ones side through it all bad and good was of great importance to me. his actions led me to go against my own beliefs of marriage was forever, that we were *soul mates*. so anger built up that day inside me, unlike anger that i had ever had towards anyone. i called my parents, started to make plans for moving to al from in, for i knew i would need some help in this transition. i was waiting for him to come home from work, knowing i was going to lay some extreme news on him. it was a little after the normal time i would expect to see him come home. in the back of my mind i said something of the sorts of*mabey he has died in a accident on his way home and i wont have to worry about his anger when i tell him this news*( i know i know, very very bad thought)*. a four wheeler pulled up to my home soon after this thought. the man had my husband(ex) on the back, bleeding from head to toe. his face was mangled, his chin looked like hamburger. i noticed 2 fingers totally not right, bent way out of place. he was very badly hurt. they first thing that came to my mind was *oh lord, i didnt mean it* -ever since then, i have been very careful about what i say in my own mind. you can feel something inside of yourself, the emotion of good or bad vibe. maybe this was karma showing him he was running on ice that was about to brake. he learned nothing. he was glad to be getting prescription medicine . mabey this was to show me, he wasnt going to change, and to not keep doubting myself that i had to leave.

he was life lined to the nearest main hospital(a hour away). i stayed with him long enough to help him recover from his injuries(but i was very distant). he noticed i acted more as a friend would act then a lover towards him. after 2 months of caring for him, i told him i was moving. he was very controlling, so this was not easy. i had to get restraining orders. i had horrible nightmares he would kill me. he continued to use, and is now in very bad shape. he is a 40yr old man with the heart of a 80 yr old. he has a swollen heart because of the drugs. i think karma is something you create yourself. it is the effect of what you do with your life. cause and effect.

still, in life, we have great people that seem to have the worst luck. we cant forget that none of us are totally protected from bad things happening to us. if we were totally protected, we wouldnt experience bad things for no reason. this reminds us, we dont have total control on what comes our way, we only have control on making the best of every situation(experience) we are given. i do feel, that i was in a way, *placed* in certain peoples lives, to try to help them. or-mabey i look to much into things:d

you must love thyself first, in order to shine love to others, then the light will shine back. the ones that hold that light in selfishness, and doesnt shine it back to you, i think karma might give then a kick in the rear at times

these are just rambles of my own life-jibber jabber-

peace to all,
lynette

[Olphander]

i've had my own experiences with drugs and addiction. when talking about karma it's important to understand there are more than just that working in our lives.

with your brother and the situation of staying away from you may be more than one thing. it may be syncronicity, or your energy or vibes as you say. these may be the gentle ploddings of his own higher self trying to get him to straiten out. you two did not become siblings out of shear chance, most of the information i read states pretty clearly that we pretty much choose the circomstances in our lives that come about or we are born into. he and you choose to be siblings for whatever reason. think on this in love.

it also seems the themes of addiction keep popping up in your life as well, that may be karmicly inspired as well. are the ways your dealing with the addictions of others love filled or selfish? i'm not saying this to expose your motives, only to help you realize there may be more than one bit of karma working here. think on this in love of yourself. when dealing with any one who has hurt or wrongs you the loving option is to love them but reject their selfish service to self behaviors. you don't have to allow them to harm or hurt you when you love them, you love them at a safe distance. it sounds as if you've put up some good boundaries with your brother and being stead fast in this will be of great help to him.

the thing to understand about addiction is that it's the original school of hard knocks. it's an accelerated school that is very hard and has a high rate of dropout. there are so many themes and things exposed in those situations that it's far too much to put in a single post. as they say, the path of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.

karma's little cousin is cause and effect, so yes if you do drugs your going to fall into everything that life style entails and suffer every consequence. your body will break down, your friends will leave you and your new friends will just use and abuse you. bad things will happen to you on a regular basis so in that karma is being played on on some small scale as if to warn you compassionately that greater karma will be required to balance this out should you continue.


and in closing i will say this. if anything i've said does not resonate with you, please reject it and move on. i am hardly an expert on this subject, only a humble servant, if i can even be called that. i can only speak from what little experience and knowledge i have and thats not to say i have much at all. love and peace! i will be praying for you and your family.

errol

[Overlord]

karma, is multi faceted, its born through our deeds, meaning our action, by the circumstances we find ourselves within.

we like to talk about that in the after life there is self judgment for our deeds, boy wouldn't that be great to be-able to judge ourselves, but how would that really work. we have to have to evolved beyond our current circumstance to be-able to judge ourselves wouldn't you say.

no , i think you'll find that there's a higher power in charge , and that higher power has all within its control.

[Olphander]

well, your thinking in a very 3d way of thinking. ie time is linear and therefore if i'm not evolved enough at this time then how can i judge myself? we are all part of the higher power of which you speak and all very much capable of doing a great many things.

your higher power may simply be your higher and evolved self, who is in existence at this very moment. there is no separation, time is just the illusion put in place in order that we can learn these lessons. even beyond that, the illusion is that we are separate from god, when in fact everything that is, is god. so even if it is a higher power judging you.. it's still you judging you, or god judging god, just in a way that makes it appear as some one or something else. that higher self also has the great advantage of being able to commune with the social complex, the archive of our experiences as a people. there is also the mass mind of all our people at that point, connected without separation from one another. i think the potential for your higher self being a very good judge is very high, given that it is nearing the end of our evolution as souls.

and it's important to understand, i don't mean judging as in condemning. it means to balance the acts and the choices we've made so that we can return to a state of karma that benefits our continued spiritual evolution. remember i am not just speaking about bad karma, but good karma too. when you get that bit of luck, or things seem to go your way in certain situations, that's karma too. certain skills that come easily to you are the result of good karma, one that you gained from using it in past lives, or the past etc. remember we are being encouraged by karma to choose a path of service to others, so service to self choices have bad karma and service to others choices have good karma.

however, i'm no expert but this seems to me to be a reasonable explanation from what i've read on the subject. besides all that this is a little beyond the scope of this post, which was to provide proof of karma.

[Pharmaciest]

i think the main thing to point out here is that the only judge and jury for karma is yourself. that is to say, when we evaluate our lives when the veil is lifted, the one who weighs and balances karma is in fact our selves...

i definitely agree with you on this ewhaz. i'm reminded of the books written by dr. n, where he would do all these past-life regressions, but instead of focusing on past lives, he would always go to the point in between lives. i found these stories extremely fascinating and inspiring.

[Overlord]

ewhaz, i can see where your going with your view point and you have made some very valied ones at that.

as for my view's being based on a three dimensional out look only, i have to say your misguided on that thought. i do in fact have quite the little connection going on with my higher self and my guides, so my views are colored by this connection and not this 3d world.

[BartRonalds]

i sometimes wonder whether karma in itself is an absolute, or whether we can redeem ourself from past deeds by simply changing our vibration (through gaining wisdom; understanding what we have done).

perhaps, there are many, many ways in which a soul can learn and "evolve".

perhaps karma is just one, but perhaps there are others.

souls may chose to incarnate to experience many difficulties, depending on how "spiritually ambitious" they are. (i got that from "the wanderer's handbook").

or perhaps before a soul enters this realm, they agree to take a risk, acknowledging that anything could happen.....for some, terrible sufferings, some unimaginable-

perhaps before they came, their soul agreed to go through this for the purpose of higher love?

to help further the evolution of others?


what happened to the world?

was it necessary for suffering to get as extreme as it is, for many?

*did something go wrong.....was there a part of the collective consciousness which, at some point, decided to challenge the laws of harmony? did we volunteer to come and put ourselves on line to help re-balance this consciousness......in the name of love?
(*not my own ideas- i was inspired by this possibility in a book i read).

perhaps "opposites" are necessary, but perhaps the actual extremities of suffering in itself aren't.

just sharing some ideas.

[BartRonalds]

inviting everyone to post any knowledge they may have acquired and information relating to whether or not there is proof for the existence of karma.

[Podborodok]

hello, i've just come to find this broad, so i hope you don't mind someone new adding there thoughts to this subject.

karma has always interested me, its purpose is brought forward so as to teach. the law that follows it is one of simple design that energy out energy returned, meaning what ever you put out being your action your thoughts are returned to you, for you are the creator.

many want to believe that they can go through life with no repercussions for there actions, that some how once you see the light that all is for given, but the universe just doesn't work that way, no my friend what ever you put out is returned, so be careful within your deeds. its a tricky business this life thing.