[Navzrrqt]

http://lightworkers.org/node/16601

[chuecalovers]

thank you, understanding- that was truly fascinating! i think it is definitely worth posting again as perhaps more people would want to know if they had any idea of just how fascinating! i am going to re-post it with more detail- if that's ok?

i am so glad i watched that- it is definitely one of the most fascinating things i have watched in the whole year (along with the david wilcock project camelot interviews).

it raises yet more questions for me!
my search for knowledge has not ended here- it has just been rekindled!

[bertanu]

although i found the video interesting, after further reflection i can see that the ideas put forward in it regarding the orgasm being the source of original sin and disconnection from god- does not make sense.
also, it said that an orgasm isn't needed to procreate. well, that doesn't make sense either, at least as far as the male orgasm is concerned. also, female orgasm helps to ensure that more of the seed is retained, so it all seems pretty natural......it's also healthy and releases endorphines which strengthen the immune system.

perhaps there could be such a thing as positive/ negative orgasms depending on the thoughts/ feelings of the couple at the time? i read something about that.

perhaps superstitious people are just too quick to label anything that is pleasurable as sinful....but isn't love about making others feel happy?

desire is not bad. only selfish desire is.

i think "polarity" is really an illusion of sorts anyway.

it says in the video that love and lust can't mix, but i disagree. they can mix. they can be brought together and harmonized.

[Rexaviennatutr]

although i found the video interesting, after further reflection i can see that the ideas put forward in it regarding the orgasm being the source of original sin and disconnection from god- does not make sense.
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i also found the information in the video questionable. - and sometimes completely wrong. i did a search on thelema press, the group behind it. it is the publishing arm of a gnostic group that expounds the ideas of samael aun weor. you can read about him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/samael_aun_weor

[thank you lvxseeker for researching-moderator thought this video questionable too, so released for the group's opinions]

[dyestymum]

i also found this to be a fascinating video. what struck me was that, if you look past the tendency of much of the christian world to view esoteric spirituality through the lens of fear-based, damnation centered ideology, some pretty good points were made.

in light of the teachings of ra, it seems that some sexual energy transfers of the orange or yellow ray kind may result in some serious blockage on the road to polarizing on the service to others path, for those who may otherwise so polarize. sexual promiscuity can be as blocking as drug addiction.

the video seems to accurately discern some major teaching of the ancients' concern of unbridled, wanton sexual activity, although claims such as the need to avoid orgasm and the need to have a partner of the opposite sex in order to 'get to heaven' seem filtered through some pre-existing, puritan bias.

for those interested, i would recommend ra's info regarding the somewhat negative manifestations of some of the influence of the confederation entity known as yahweh, and how it filtered down into the distorted offerings of moses in regard to the ten commandments and their 'thou shalt not' service to self tone.

in short, beware any teaching of the need for fear; much is insidiously woven into the great spiritual teachings of the past. those who tend towards the service to others path yet who engage in 'service to self' sex will someday gain enough catalyst to seek a more refined sexual expression; all is becoming and learning, and none will run out of chances to realize the love of other self as self.

[Navzrrqt]

i looked past a lot of things not everything resonated with me, but how they told us the bible is basically metaphors etc resonated with me a lot. as for the orgasm and finding your partner to get to heaven i do not know.

[fotodemujerahldesnugdo]

i watched the whole video and i definitely did not buy into its message. although it made a few good points i've heard other interpretations of stories like adam and eve that have had more documentation backing them and seemed to resonate more clearly with the loo series (i've started to look closely at [a popular conspiracist-email for name]interpretation of the story very seriously, he has other ideas about the serpent's role.) i was shocked though to see how well produced this piece of film was considering its content, i dunno, the whole thing seemed off to me.

much love, david

[welihiedginly]

i really liked the video. as with everything you hear and read, you take what resonates and leave the rest. quite a bit of it did resonate with me though, probably my christian upbringing.

i especially liked the imagery and music that went with it.

as for sex without orgasm, ra talks so much about sexual energy transfers in the loo, i’d have to wonder how the energy would be transferred without orgasm. as well, if you didn’t orgasm, how would you know when to stop?

[viagra-kaufen]

there is another thread here on the forums secret to the garden of eden. you may want to check the thread

for me it is incorrect
ok for the service to other and for the control of sex , to don't become a slave of sex

[arreskslarlig]

certainly the video was intriguing. the hindu religion, while not prudish like christianity, does contain quite a lot of anti sex teachings, and is big on the idea that male orgasm is an energy loss. the hari krishna sect teaches only to have sex for the purpose of procreation (and i noticed they had a lot of kids at the temple in los angeles years ago, when i used to hang out with them). simply practicing continence [i think onething means abstinence? ] in marriage seems like a misery to me.

my understanding of the tantric teaching, and it is odd the film never gets down to brass tacks, is that you become stimulated in the sexual congress to the point of orgasm - and here is where a lot of will is needed, esp at first - but instead of letting the energy spill into the orgasm in the genitals, you pull that impending orgasm up the spine and into the head, where you get a much more diffuse, spiritual high that also leaves you very satisfied, and for quite a while. obviously, this could also create spiritual progress, due to energy flow and brain stimulation.

the notion that orgasm is not ever necessary, even for procreation, seems certainly wrong, and may be a gnostic fundie notion. also, they insinuate the that male and female orgasm involve the same energy loss, but males lose vitality and females, if anything, gain it. where females spend life force and lose vitality is in the menstrual cycle, and some tantrics try to control that. however, the need to transmute the sexual energy up the spine and into the brain for spiritual benefit would be the same for both genders.

maybe there is something to this whole idea, because try as i might, i have not been able to envision how we could really have a a paradise on earth while having the current earth system of bodily nutrient needs in which everything eats everything. so the idea that the fall of man involved a dimensional/vibrational fall into greater density, requiring sexual reproduction as part of the 3d package, makes a lot of sense to me. not sure about the animals...but jesus does say that in heaven there isn't marriage.

[dyestymum]

i feel obliged to point out, for the benefit of those whom might consider orgasmic continence [moderator-i believe the word is abstinence continence is the ability to control your bladder etc] as a method of birth control, that the aroused male will pass a small quantity of semen even if no orgasm occurs. i might add, in passing, that the male orgasm is not necessary for the transmission of sexually transmitted disease from male to female either. (or vice versa)

onething, you make a wonderful point regarding channeling sexual energy up the spine during sex; one may think this is something only senior tantric practitioners may achieve, after perhaps years of practice.

if you are in a loving relationship with another self, it can be as easy as kissing each other on the mouth in the time leading up to and during the climactic moment. this can help create a positive feedback loop occasioned by an equal measure of mutual attention on both the genitals and the head/face/mouth/eyes.

i am reminded of a movie i saw in which a neanderthal man was shown the advantages of frontal sex by a homo-sapien woman; the neanderthal man had only ever experienced the typical animal version. not that i am a purist in this regard, but as i have thought while reading the "is rock and roll evil" thread, not everyone is going to want to listen to mozart all the time!

-mark

[chuecalovers]

i think that the title, not the content, of the video may have some truth in it- sex, the secret gate to eden. love and lust could be seen to represent all forms of "opposition" in the uni-verse. when we stop perceiving things as being "opposite" or separate from each other, the keys to the "kingdom of god"- nirvana- can be found.