[gregmcal]

this is a huge stumbling block for me. the more i read about the illuminati, the more i sense the truth behind the government. i'm quite sure they know a lot about ufo's and the prophecies of 2012, but their main interest is keeping the economy from collapsing with the main motive of money over preparation or safety.

our government has taken god out of the school system. they seem to be trying to deter our spiritual beliefs as much as possible in the name of "being politically correct" or so we aren't offending other nationalities. by taking god out of the schools, we are also taking love and eternal bliss out of the schools.

it's difficult to forgive the government at this time, but i'm trying!

how do i get over this block? any advice is greatly appreciated!

[DavidShreder]

hello flachiefsfan,

the truth is that we can not control any one, be it a person, a country, the goverment etc. what we can control is ourself and our actions of self.

i applaud you for asking such a difficult question and bringing forward a harder issue that most of us are also feeling and thinking about.

if we are directly involved with matters that we can act upon using our true selfs, it would be wonderful, to see this love in action to make appropriate changes. if we are not directly involved, we can have faith in our creator and his people and trust that all is were it should be.

this i believe is were our universal conscious thoughts come into major play. by having faith in oneself, as we witness events that are not sitting well within, our own loving thoughts or prayers come in. these simple acts, that each of us today can control, do matter and we do collectively make a difference .

for ever peace and good will., r

[snova]

"forgive them, lord, for they know not what they do."

[gregmcal]

hi rhionda and foosnik, and a huge thanks for the replies and advice!

"what we can control is ourself and our actions of self."
voting can make that a difficult and confusing task!

i guess i can start out by forgiving myself for voting...

[Zpxbawtz]

it is particularly difficult to forgive governments when they are still not acting in our interests. i know it's important not to get too angry or fearful about the things governments are doing to weaken us and keep us in a state of fear as this is simply counter-productive and is what they want. for me it is particularly hard not to think about it at moments like this when i look out of my window and i see chemtrails being sprayed and criss-crossing in the sky. do other people find the chemtrails particularly frustrating? i don't know what their purpose is exactly but to me they are always a constant reminder that the people in power see us as 'the herd'. they often ruin what would be a beautifully blue and natural sky. all the same i know that there is nothing i can do personally to stop this happening at this time. i find the best approach is to stay positive, not worry and know that everything is going to be fine.

[EspnaConCam]

i too had great animosity toward our elected officials for those things they have done. i was especially p.o.'ed about the continuing war in iraq. according to some estimates they has been a total of 1.3 million iraqi's that have died since the war started. we are also leaving behind "depleted uranium that will be an enviromental tragedy for future generations of people.

i can not figure out why we are still there. it's not for the reasons given by our government and isn't to insure freedom.

anyway, what has helped me is the theory that most of our elected officials are "soul less clones" that must listen to their masters. the individuals started out life as the same as anyone else but once they deviated from their masters wishes they were replaced with souless clones.

i can not arose a lot of animosity for a biological robot.

[Pharmaciest]

do other people find the chemtrails particularly frustrating?..... i find the best approach is to stay positive, not worry and know that everything is going to be fine.

yes i do find them very irritating. what really peeves me is the simple fact that they can do stuff like this without any kind of explanations whatsoever, and they know they can, so they keep doing it. it really makes you feel helpless.

that 'not worrying' is good advice. i read something awhile ago, that said to the effect; why worry? if you can do something about it, then do it. if you can't do anything about it, why worry about it?

i was especially p.o.'ed about the continuing war in iraq. according to some estimates they has been a total of 1.3 million iraqi's that have died since the war started. we are also leaving behind "depleted uranium that will be an enviromental tragedy for future generations of people.

yes, that whole war thing really gets me too. it just seems so totally senseless. i've heard a lot of explanations about it and for it, but still none of them make sense to me. i think it's probably just a grab for power, but even that makes no sense. surely there are better ways..... and another thing, when you hear about it in the news, they say things like, "over three thousand have now lost their lives in the war in iraq..." i mean what about the iraqis, don't their lives count? hell, we go to their homeland and we kill them and all we talk about is how many we lost.

yes, i get very frustated too, and then i remember things like in a course in miracles, where it says something like, no matter how evil and self-serving the plans of man may be, he can always turn it into something good. and it also helps to remember that all is one; all we need to do is to heal that part inside ourselves that is represented in the outer world by wars and the desperate struggles for power, etc. if we all did that we would no longer see it 'out there'.

[Anaedilla]

. if we all did that we would no longer see it 'out there'.

hi suppermanny, personally, i learn that in theory we focus on ourselves. however, i am not sure if we are deluding ourselves. maybe i am just not spiritually evolved yet. i don't know

[Pharmaciest]

hi supermanny, personally, i learn that in theory we focus on ourselves. however, i am not sure if we are deluding ourselves. maybe i am just not spiritually evolved yet. i don't know

i don't think we're deluding ourselves at all. especially in some cases where it seems like that's about all you've got to work with. i think there's much truth in the old saying "as within, so without".

for a really mind-blowing story posted by donald about healing the outer by healing the inner, check out his post here;
http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=9556

[JakilSong]

you need to work it out cause it's not healthy to dwell on conspiracy all the time. your employer might get upset if it effects your job performance because you don't have your mind on your job.

focus on how wonderful life will be after the dark ptb are deposed and we can rebuild the society with a sharing compasionate theme and begin to look at all our governmental entities with love and compassion. believe and be grateful to the universe for the wondeful government we have and before you know it the government we have will be a wonderful government.

those who have the biggest gripes should organize and participate in the process to make the planet a better place for everyone.

i'm involved with energy and energy management technologies that could help lower dependence on fossil fuels and if your doing something that helps in another area we all contribute to creating a better world for us all and we can love one another at the highest level and others will see how much fun we are having and want to join us because we aren't sitting around complaining and we are accomplishing things that are important and it makes everyones life a better life to live.

the key is creating something that adds to the whole without taking from it so that the sum of our parts is better than some of are parts. i just made that up for fun but it sounded cool so i'm leaving that in.

peace out.

[Sheefeadalfuh]

i was going to say a prayer at the beginning of my math class the other day here in ghana, because it's not illegal and the students requested it. but here's why i decided not to (and wrote an inspirational, spiritual, but non-religious statement on the board instead). as soon as the word god is uttered, there is an unfortunate rift opened up between people. the most obvious division is between the moslem and christian concepts of god. it doesn't matter that they're both the one infinite creator because their paradigms don't see it that way. the potential for this rift to fill my classroom, or to have to explain that i'm not really a christian.. or any other dogmatic system for that matter... outweighed the potential good of uniting the class in prayer.

in my humble opinion, as long as it is mandatory for someone to be in school (public school system), it is incorrect for religion to be sermonized therein. it is an abridgement of free will of monumental proportions in my opinion. then again, the whole school system has that flavor to it already (aka: "preaching" science is not much better).

at the end of the day, the problem is not taking prayer out of schools. the problem is taking thinking and learning out of schools.

-charles

[gregmcal]

the simplest answer to the question is this: "bless everyone."

[Pharmaciest]

as soon as the word god is uttered, there is an unfortunate rift opened up between people.

i don't see the need to include the word "god" in our prayers, especially if it causes potential problems. the purpose of prayer is not to curry some special favor from some diety. the purpose of prayer is to clarify our intent, to dwell for a moment on what we want, instead of what we don't want.

why can't we just have the type of prayer in school that simply says, let's all go have a wonderful and beautiful day! let's be grateful for all the good in our life, and let's all go out and create more beauty and peace and joy, and just simply have a wonderful empowered life!

[Junrlaeh]

why can't we just have the type of prayer in school that simply says, let's all go have a wonderful and beautiful day! let's be grateful for all the good in our life, and let's all go out and create more beauty and peace and joy, and just simply have a wonderful empowered life! what a beautiful, enlightened thought!

thanks