[Seisyvose]

so far i've read a few of the more conspiratorial things that people have posted links to. while being informed is good i have a certain dislike for these documents -- at least in their presentation. david has touched on this but i feel inspired to chime in.

time and again we are told that light/love is the solution to darkness -- yet all too often these atrocities of darkness are revealed by darkness. let me just say:

do not fear the darkness for it cannot extinguish light -- it cannot hurt you. fear is implanted by those who are afraid; they're afraid of you. from the dark perspective, light extinguishes darkness; so they have every reason to be afraid of you. only by implanting fears can they save themselves or so they feel (this is a perfectly valid fear, in so far as any fear can be validated).

as lyrics from "project pitchfork" state: "there is nothing to fear; if aggression is the result of fear; then fear is the fear of regression; so if you are afraid of an aggressor; you are afraid of a person who is afraid of you; a person who implants fears; and why should you be afraid of a someone who is behaving like a small child in the darkness?"

do what you have to but remember that all can never be lost. and if you can learn to remember this while attaining the knowledge of how "scary" the world is, you'll remember how silly it really is to be scared.

-charles

[alfredtaniypnx]

i don't think these threads are fear based but more informational for a more well rounded understanding. many here wouldn't be in fear while learning about conspiricys along with other dark agenda's. it is hard to live through life just looking at the bright side of things and burying your head in the sand towards dark topics.

this is something in the secret that irritated me it seemed to say to promote peace even if something horrible is happening just ignore it and have good internal thoughts and in turn everything will be band-aided up hahah.

so you have to look at both sides of the fence for greater perception.

"you can't study darkness by flooding it with light"

-edward abbey

[rbVmVlQ2]

well said, charles!

permit me to sit down at your campfire here for a few moments, and lay down some of our off-the-public-side of this topic for the rest of our campers to digest.

for perhaps about some high ninetys' percentage of the people reading this stuff, "shining the light " on something involves mega-candle-power type devices that really can be a lot of fun, and effective for "bringing the darkness into the "light," especially when you get up into the two to three million candle-power range, but i have found the expierience of trying to explain the "dancing in the light" thing to be generally a waste of breath when you're dealing with someone who has no concept, or consciousness of/or that are/is other ways. and the only way you are going to be able to effectvely communicate this other alternative is to communicate with your intended target/audience on the same level of conscious awareness, which usually means that you either have to drop down to their level, or raise them up to yours; i choose the latter, because the former can really give you headaches.

as we have come to understand that "knowledge is structured in counciousness," the simple path, always my favorite, is simply to always teach your children with a heavy emphisis on the expanding the knowledge aspect of the practice, and then just sit back, relax, and let the "son shine through."

if it seems like a jet airplane just flew over your head, just go back to the beginning of davids' "convergence series" the book and try again, this time focusing on the content; can't wait for the movie...

bob

[Glanteeignile]

i feel keep the right perspective when these sort of things happen is what is important. i can honestly say after 9/11 nothing scares me very much; that, and katrina, and the tsunamis were horrendous, not just for the numbers killed, but the magnitude of the things shown on tv. however, we know that many catyclysms are happening all over the world that we dont know about that are just as awful. people are suffering all over the globe, and ra and the gang heard us all crying out years ago for help....came a running. it's about time for a new world to be born, folks, wouldn't you agree? jax

[Seisyvose]

*sigh* i had a long post started but as i got to the 5th paragraph i realized it would take pages to relay my thoughts. here's the abridged version.

let me simply stress that it is the attitude and feeling with which this knowledge is addressed which characterizes the experience. many conspiratorial writings mean well but by their very nature of confronting darkness, can inspire feelings of fear and hate.

by my best understanding, fear and hate are in opposition to love and/or are the lack thereof. the feeling of love is nearly unique in both the beautiful nature of its expression and the gravity it has on our feelings. those who are purportedly involved in the conspiracies being addressed, by all accounts, seem to want to control people for their own gains. they do this by implanting fears in others. and they do it because they are afraid of the possibility that people cannot be controlled and these "conspirers" would therefor be unable to get "ahead." (which to them, perhaps, makes them feel some semblance of bastardized love.)

the motive for creating fear, therefor, is their own fear of the ones they wish to control. this i tried to express by citing philosophically profound song lyrics.

the process of controlling with fear is simple. if someone is afraid of something it's very unlikely they will stare it down, lest it consume them. this is animal in nature. so you run or hide. and if they know you'll run and hide away from the thing that they create as a fear, then they have control over where you're likely to go. this is sort of like blowing leaves off your lawn with a leaf blower if you've every seen/done such a thing.

but they're afraid of people expressing love -- the feeling not the typically associated practices. one who feels love is potentially strengthened to a degree where their connection to love has prevented them from feeling fear. their loving connection to infinity, to creator, to whatever you want to call it, emboldens them and keeps them from feeling fear. furthermore, true love is uncontrollable. you can find subtle ways to make people fall in love with things (a fickle expression) and lead them by this process, but this is not how i mean the word (by the way consumerism is all about this process, but it's a bastardization of love, like addiction to heroine is a bastardization of feeling good).

so a populace connected to the feeling of love -- as i've referred to as "being light" -- is not susceptible to the whims of fear and control -- what i've referred to as "darkness". it's funny really. they're afraid of us feeling love so naturally they try to make us afraid of them. when you think about it this way it's really pretty childish.

the thing is, the "revealing" of these dark secrets has every potential to inspire fear -- to a profound extent. and i've felt it on occasion before i catch it, and catch myself, and remember: there is nothing to fear.

here's the best part... by helping these spurious people feel true love -- by helping them achieve their connection to whatever you want to call it -- you're curing their addiction to the very substance which inspires them to act so spuriously! remember "love thy enemy" ?? think about it.

all i ask is that people try to remember these points when educating themselves about the conspiratorial materials. understand the process by which you would feel fear, and subvert it. reveal it instead with light -- with love. and in this illumination be able to be free.

-charles

[7kitthuptarill]

charles, your comments are appreciated, but i do beg to differ. it is each individual's responsibility to manage their fear and hopefully choose not to become a victim of fear. persons making information available here or anywhere else because they believe that it is better to be aware of what's out there, should not withhold information because it might frighten someone. when you get right down to it, all of the information about planet x, 2012, the road to ascension, etc. can be pretty scary stuff if you are not spiritually centered and prepared for it. however, as one becomes more informed of what is happening and why, there is a greater likelihood that the hold of fear diminishes and hopefully disintegrates. of course, there are persons who go out of their way to engage in fear-mongering and the accompanying karma, but this does not seem to be the case among those who post information in this discussion group.

just a few thoughts for your consideration....jo anne

[Seisyvose]

the purpose of this latest post is effectively as a "bump" to highlight the revised wording and extended communicaiton of what apparently was a miscommunicaiton within my original posting. my second, and longer, post/reply to this topic more accurately communicates what i wished to say and what i believe is very important in understanding the so dubbed "conspiratorial" information occasionally presented in these forums!

-charles

[Glanteeignile]

i got my pic up...it's me! jax or jackie in colorado. hi you notice i am laffing in the photo. that's what i usually seem to be doing. i'm a pretty happy person, not prone to fear/negativity very often. i've been reading and thinking about this shift thing since i first read about it waaaay back in 1976. it seemed rather scarey back then and i wondered if i should save some extra food and water in the basement, but i was too busy raising 4 children to think about it very long. i certainly didn't go out wearing a placard on my chest saying "the world is going to end according to the mayas" or something like that. if you read conspiracy posts here in this forum, don't worry about them. there's certainly a negative side to this world, and such things going on in our government that really suck, but, we have to remember that love conquers all, to coin a hackneyed phrase. the way i understand ra, is that eventually the dark (negative) side will convert over to the light side, because without love, they can't pass the 5th, or is it the 6th dimension towards unity with prime creator. these folks who are service-to-self do progress spiritually, believe it or not. they're not condemned to some hell where they burn forever. they're not really our enemies, they're our otherselves. if we look at like that, it's not hard to love them. be light. be love. jax

[kasandrasikl]

there is nothing to fear except fear itself.

darkness is only that which does not know the light.

[Ocqljudq]

or... to understand the light, one must understand the dark.
and, there is nothing to fear, period.

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[mikefertynnz]

stress is the inability to control

fear is the result.