[ufUUZCnc]

thank you, soup, also, for sharing your experiences in regards to this topic. i love that you all are willing to "go there" with me because personally i am drawn to the sharing of one another's stories and choices that worked for them. in fact, it was david's willingness to do this very thing that has attracted me to this website over and over again. to me, that is a true spiritual teacher--sharing oneself and laying it all out there (a very vulnerable-feeling thing to do at first).

when i hear other's stories and choices, i then can, as an observer, often see myself with more clarity, and as a result find myself able to make more clear and conscious choices in my own life. it's like going through a smorgasboard, tasting and trying whatever sounds most appealing to me--and only i know what perceptions and beliefs (at least, more than a person outside of me) i'm bringing to the moment.

so, thank you dearly for bringing more goodies to our potluck--all great stuff...lots of love and light...

penny

[orgagsUpsepsy]

... lately i've been realizing that the negative has its proper place in our lives because we are human. if we try to avoid our shadow self, our inner child or whatever you want to call it, it will find some way to get our attention, because we need to maintain some sort of balance between darkness and light...

jax,

yesterday i went to the ll research website and checked out some of their links (trying to find more perspectives from like-minded folks of loo philosophy). i purused scott mandelker's website and he had written a very provacative essay titled "human crisis and the divine plan" . if the moderators will permit (i don't see why they wouldn't), [note from moderator: scott mandelker is very well respected and has often collaborated with david on projects] here are portions of the 6 part essay:

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this is a very subtle point, but moves toward greater recognition of just how divine plan operates in this dimension, on a world that seems so full of crisis and chaos. from a shallow view, this is true -- but upon deeper consideration, 3d consciousness dynamics here are perfectly balanced, fitting, and fair. more than that, they are optimally self-structured to catalyze their own transformation if wisely used. a bit of collective depth psychology, á la carl jung, holds the key to understanding.
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the reason these two groups find themselves paired in this world is no less than the fact that each offers the other a perfect consciousness catalyst for their own continued soul evolution. opposites do attract, both in interpersonal relations and collective soul grouping, and it is no accident these two forces are the dominant actors in 3d earth.
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in earth’s 3d realm, those on this path find themselves confronted with a great mass of souls who have not yet made their choice of polarity, who innately rebel against their own oppression, but yet lack the self-trust and discernment to realize the solution to their predicament.
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those whom we may consider "asleep" to their own divine light and strength are a perfect counterpoint to those on the self-service path -- who are also seeking increased access to inner power through mind, and in their case, a heart-blocked use of wisdom. the inertia of non-polarized groups offers significant catalyst for those already negatively polarized, giving them (in a kind of ironic sense) the opportunity to refine their evil.
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again, i certainly do not support or encourage the negative path, but i do believe we need to understand the esoterics of just why we find these two groups dominant in 3d earth, and consider the dynamics of just how these two consciousness poles reflect and play off each other. without doubt, the creator and the highest beings in our octave of 7 densities are replete with love and unity-being, without an iota of the desire to harm. of course, that is the ultimate goal of all soul progression upon either path.
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but in time and space, there is polarized soul growth, and far more than making us all "good," the creator seeks soul progression through freely chosen self-development. that these two groups find themselves facing off against each other in this dimension is no accident, is in full accord with divine plan, and offers carefully designed catalyst so each may refine their own choices.
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certainly, most of the souls as yet non-polarized in 3d do end up choosing the positive path of love-unity -- and will not, in the long run, turn against their own heart. nevertheless, they are given the option of going either way. the main function of negative leadership is to "squeeze" those not yet polarized through increasing body-mind restriction and control towards greater activation of their own mind and will through the catalyst of collective and repeated heart-wounding.
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of course, mind and will are essential to both paths of polarization, but the primary quality needed for positive polarization (in distinction to self-service) is heart-activation, genuine compassion toward self and other. by means of long-standing social complex oppression and dominance, negative leadership offers those not yet polarized the catalyst of physical-mental suffering and spiritual heart-constriction. the "hope" from higher levels is that those oppressed will generate greater heart-activation as a means of seeking their own freedom (itself a quality of the positive path).
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though these are truly miserable aspects of human experience, if used wisely (as with all catalyst) they can fuel great soul growth. in the face of such misery (i.e. "human crisis"), non-polarized souls are given strong impetus to wake up to what they really want, who they really are, the latent power of their insufficiently used powers of intellect, and the self-fulfilling primacy of heart-centered being.
... these paragraphs helped refine my understanding of what purpose the negative-sts people have in my own spiritual evolution. this matches very closely with what you have written. so, in a very strange sense, i should be thankful for their "existence"; without their "actions", there would be no catalyst for me to awaken and choose polarity.

so, in my earlier response where i did and didn't agree with your statement, i am now in full agreement. thank you for sharing your words - i believe your post led me on a little journey of discovery that has helped me refine my perspective on "the negative". i have to admit, to a certain extent, i began to despise the negative polarity/sts people, which went against what i was claiming to understand (love all). now, with this refined perspective, i truly can appreciate all peoples on this earth, even the sts for they do play an important role "in the game"...

art

[ufUUZCnc]

thanks, art and jax and soup, for your postings and quotes on the light and dark--we seem to be in agreement on so much of this. i've long been attracted to paintings in which the contrast of darks highlights the lights even more (like lighthouses in stormy seas).

i've also long realized from my own personal experiences how important it was to experience the darkest darks in order to appreciate and see the brightest lights and the ultimate power of love--love always seems and feels ever-present even when on the surface things look confusing, chaotic and dark. walking through these moments with utmost compassion for myself (resulting in compassion for all others and appreciation for all roles played) has transformed the blackest moments of my life into my greatest gifts in being a human on earth.

it's also been of utmost importance in me to appreciate the role of the betrayer in such a way that i sincerely felt the love for my enemies that jesus spoke of in place of the fear which had me "judging" them as someone to be destroyed (whether through words or deeds) because of their "wrongness in being" rather than used as a tool for discernment and choice-making in my own journey. it was greatly important to me to find this clarity for i have played the betrayer role and other dark roles as well as getting to be the "good girl/guy."

i don't have to "like" the betrayer's deeds, but when i see the contrast he/she provides me in that moment, everything shifts.

it is out of love we all come, and it's unto love we all return.

bless you for sharing all that you have...
penny

[Wrencytet]

i am so happy to wrtie today about honoroing what ever the @##$%%^& is going on in your heart! yes it hurts! yes i am feeling lonely ! no i am not crazy!yah i will be okay ! it is foggy today in toronto appropraite for the the state of affairs till the light burns awsy the fog . there is a bigger light house!
a precious dear companion ann has taught me to honro my feeelings good or bad! i likr the good ones but he negastive ones i am good at hiding or suppressing. what honor is there in lying , pride? now that is false pride ! no humility there and no need for any help yikes! no connection either. so honor , honor , honor. honor the fog wrap up and be gentle stay warm ( drink tea lots of it, i do all kinds i am in love with it)and light a candle light houses know about fog can be very tricky and stuff bangs around! yell ocassionally for help . help! you know the squeaky wheel syndrome. you get the grease! and things do get better. some one doesn't like squeaky irritating sounds! i think it could be my guardian angel or infinite intelligence!

[layedgebiamma]

i'm glad i found these posts concerning mental illnesses. good advice. thanks. our middle 30 something son is "schizo-effective", which is a name the doctors give anyone they can't diagnose....duh. (we detest mental health practicians....stupid freudian pill-pushers!) i can certainly use some encouragement and advice from light worker friends concerning his most recent crisis, which has thrown us for a superloop. we thought he was over the hump since he started a mega-vitamin regimen a few months ago and is nearly off all drugs (and all the wretched side effects), but last week we found out something he said months ago has alienated two of his siblings big time and now we're looking at a total loss of family gatherings since he lives with us and they won't come over if he is here. loss of grandchildren visits, etc. we're thinking maybe we should move to argentina for the rest of our lives... sadly, jax

[orgagsUpsepsy]

jax,

i was saddened to hear of this situation. upon re-reading your post, the only advice that jumped out at me would be to gather your children and discuss forgiveness and your son's illness.

forgiveness takes time, so be patient, but remain positive!

how is your son doing now?

keeping you in my thoughts...

art

[Wrencytet]

i am kenneth and i suffer from the family disease of alcoholism. i have battled a schizo-disorder for 27 years. there is help.mental and emotional illness is masked with alcoholism (self medication) in my family history. i am a dry alcoholic. i take my medication effexor for depression and seroquel for mood dosorders. because i am sensitive to medication i take a low dosage of both. i have taken imipranine, prozac, serazone , the anit-smoking medication. effexor gave me a weight gain . i joined weight watchers and that chlalenge is met. it also lowered my sexual drive to chemical castration with an other medication for enlarged prostrate "dutasteride." psycho therapy plus mediciation and active participation in al-anon and aa has helped me change my attitude about my life and manage myself. i am powerless over my illness , alcoholism, depression, murderous rage,personality disorders. there is no cure. i surrender them to my higher power and surrender absolutely the out comes to him. his faithful has been beyond words to describe, the safety,the tenderness and aboslute love that i am receiving every day . my resentment and choices to hold on to it and the past block the inifinte intelligence , infinte love and infinite wisdom from achieving the fulness of manageablity that is possible. there is hope, strength and joy it is very near my heart and i must choose it. my choosing it is cognitive therapy in application. it is a long road to recovery but we will share your load . help is closer than argentina! i apply , be love and be stop. silent, think, open ( observe)and pray and then play with all your heart and joy for now.. my love, hope strength anbd courage to you as you are led.
kenneths149.