[intendepods]

...the lessons of love between individual entities here on earth in the here and now are complex are varied ... thanks for your interest and reply.

the "stereotypes" seem to contain some exaggerations of cultural bias which if contemplated may offer an opportunity of conscious contemplation as opposed to subconscious influence.

it may be that one of men's primary fantasy's is simply "access to a beautiful woman as desired without risk of rejection(i.e. a sex object)" and one of women's primary fantasy's is simply "a relationship with a committed man who provides her economic security(i.e. money/power/status object)."

so the contemplation of the stereotypes may involve factors of cultural influence, gender, positive or negative polarity - along with ra's mention that "either fear or desire of possession" as being a fundamental block to progress. it may be that the simple culturally influenced "fantasys" pose a blockage to society's ability to "ascend" because people are chasing each other upon that dead end street.

[intendepods]

from the questions thread:
...take the example of a "trophy wife" who spends an extensive amount of time making herself look like a million dollars - does the reaction she trigger in others breach their free will, or manipulate it in ways that influence their behavior? note that her intent may appear invisible to others though the net effect is one of a strong potential attraction... the idea of baiting someone with love and entrapping them by their own free will may relate to the concept of the "trophy wife." here a generalization seems that her intent is to secure money from a wealthy spouse who finds her sexually attractive, using the vehicle of marriage. love seems secondary to the issues of status, she may not "truly" love him on a deep level.

it may be that this relates to the study of energy centers. as he glories in her beauty his free will may be centered about his orange ray. as she gloats in his money her free will may be centered about her yellow ray. here may be some example of how free will manifests differently depending upon one's energetic development.

so in a sense there seems on some level of congruence in freewill choice happening, though the nature of the arangement may cause some limitation to their ability to energetically open themselves to freewill choices within other energy centers because the possessive natures act as a blockage.

of course this is generalization but it may act as an example in some way.

[Fgunehjf]

hi lisa,

i think the term trophy wife/husband implies a definitely selfish indulgence on the part of the other half, the husband/wife who is at least unconsciously simply using the "trophy" to build up his/her own self esteem in an unhealthy, parasitic way. certainly you can have a very strong and very beautiful and very healthy desire for a husband/lover who is handsome, rich, powerful, athletic, and your desire does not mean that you want a trophy husband at all. it just means you have a desire for the best things in life and that is very healthy.

what it really boils down to is, how honest and how aware are you personally of your own inner motivations. the trophy wife probably is very definitely looking for someone she loves and who has money, which is good. but if she does wind up being a trophy wife in a negative sense, married to an abusive or insensitive braggart or other undesireable, it is most likely because she has not examined her own deeper motivations honestly enough to enable her to see through the false facade that lured her into the undesireable relationship.

[intendepods]

what it really boils down to is, how honest and how aware are you personally of your own inner motivations. thanks for your interest and replies.

generally speaking, there seem exaggerated cases of this within the celebrity class. here, part of the celebrities gift to society may be their exaggeration which better enables others to see the same or similar energetic dynamics at play within themselves, just scaled to a differing extent or else within others that they may know.

in some cases, these celebrities participate in advertising which can act to catalyze desires which then may uplevel as result of the advertising's subconscious programming, (i.e. maslow's triangle at work near its bottom.)

through such energetic studies, one might be able to consciously understand a pattern and recognize trade off limitations consciously, which may help individuals in better managing such desires and behaviors related to acting upon them.

in this way there might be insights into how some groups or societies contain influences which enables faster evolutionary rates than others - insights related to managing patterns that distill energetic blockages.

[gabbaman]

the "stereotypes" seem to contain some exaggerations of cultural bias which if contemplated may offer an opportunity of conscious contemplation as opposed to subconscious influence.

it may be that one of men's primary fantasy's is simply "access to a beautiful woman as desired without risk of rejection(i.e. a sex object)" and one of women's primary fantasy's is simply "a relationship with a committed man who provides her economic security(i.e. money/power/status object)."

i think these particular cultural bias's are waring down a bit now. kind of 1990.

in the original question, it might be a bit like a free will choice enslaving himself. if you have a free will choice of jumping in a ditch (possibly in this analogy, through not knowing the terrain/ temporary blindness), then you have to crawl your way out. it might seem like a bridge of free will to have to spend so long in a ditch but if you hadn't of jumped in, you would be free to experience in other parts of the terrain.

[intendepods]

...there are more and less efficient ways to use this catalyst and it seems to me that the difference is delineated by our perspective, our attitude. to the extent that negative people influence and manipulate us, these are opportunities for learning lessons about ourselves and the creator. this is why ra constantly refer to negative experiences, such as psychic attacks, with expressly benign terms such as "negative greeting" - when viewed as opportunities rather than obstacles or attacks, these experiences are paths to liberation, not subservience, because they point towards what we can do, rather than what is being done to us... thanks for your interest and reply. without reading it felt like a telepathic conversation.

for a long time i considered the "negative elite" as positioned at the top of the pyramid as few and far between, not as found within intimate family life. then i considered the path of a recovering negative working backwards so to speak in a way which may allow for toggling polarization to a positive path which would allow a less limiting evolutionary path. in this case they may be a pre-incarnation choice of circumstance conducive to that: positions that allow for limited power and control share that wean them off their habits.

the idea of orion as symbol of the hunter may suggest basic emotions of fight or flight, a very fundamental instinctual response which is easy to control due to the predictable nature of the response. the hunter as symbol may suggest mechanisms of pursuing, engaging, and overcoming the prey all of which promote emotions of fight or flight in the reptilian brain stem.

as one evolves from my observation, these centers become less influential as higher modes of the mind become active. it may be that the geography of fight or flight is replaced with some alternative brain pattern and so the catalyst offered in regard to living with such tactics may grow to be less influential over time. hence, an opportunity to grow as lemonade from lemons.

another observation seems a bridge to the abstract nature of psychic attack or negative greeting. in many of these somewhat adversarial relationships there can be patterns where a person ruminates with feelings of spite, resentment, worry, anger, and/or ingratitude in response to whatever situation they are in where they don't get their way. these emotions get projected upon others and can be perceived in psychic space as such.
(this is an easy way to psychically attack someone, and an inferior state of being in my opinion.)

there was a recent q'uo sharing that suggested a basic choice: to serve or to withdraw. in some cases the separating nature of withdrawing may act to break such patterns of negative greeting by interrupting them, at the expense of disabling the relationship. in this case, in the vacuum formed from destroying such relationships there may be opportunity to form new, less adversarial relationships which promote growth in other more expanded ways.

a reason for "the veiling" between incarnations may act to promote relationships which would otherwise never happen - where recovering high density negatives can learn from so many low density positives around them who are ignorant of the gravity of their situation and who help toggle a negative's polarity in a positive way, (up to the point where the positive chooses to withdraw, i.e. at a point where their effort to serve becomes futile.)

in my own life in the interactions with negatives, it has been helpful to consider myself disqualified from helping them at some point of diminishing return - to give myself permission to detach and live happier by that choice; (thanks for that.)

[GentlieGant]

i thought this was an interesting topic and the responses have been well communicated. i only wanted to briefly add my own perspective.

so much of what i gathered from the loo material revolved around intent. in a given situation one's intent can have powerful results, in that thoughts are things. so perhaps in some instances intent means a lot, say for example a man may be with a woman that is manipulative because she desires him for money. in this case her intent seems pretty well defined, she is self serving, and doesn't really care for or love him. but the man in this situation may have a completely different perspective and his intent might be to love her without restraint and be oblivious to the idea that he is being used even to the point of ignoring pleas from others about the situation. it is a very common story, but it is an interesting lesson of love. given the choice does he abandon her and balance love with wisdom, seeing the truth behind her intent? or maybe he is acting out of service to others by giving unbiased love and offfering catalyst to the woman hoping that she can eventually learn the lesson to not manipulate others?

i think that the lessons of love between individual entities here on earth in the here and now are complex are varied and it seems to make sense to me that there can be so much complexity in the expression of love as we see them in this denisty as we strive to experience some of the infinite richness of the creator experiencing itself. love is a battlefield i guess. sorry about that last part, just trying to show i wasn't taking myself too seriously. :d

[intendepods]

...if you have a free will choice of jumping in a ditch (possibly in this analogy, through not knowing the terrain/ temporary blindness), then you have to crawl your way out.... this reminds me of portia nelson's "autobiography in five short chapters."

http://www.mhsanctuary.com/healing/auto.htm

[Ufkkrxcq]

ra states that negative entities can only manipulate us through our own distortions. it is only our own issues, insecurities, fears, limitations - all ultimately self-imposed - that negatives take advantage of. that is to say, they have no innate power over others that is not given to them freely as a result of our own choices.

ra does mention that negatively polarized entities incarnating into third density often do program their incarnations for greater physical health and attractiveness. so there's little doubt that physical beauty is used to manipulate and control others. but that is only to the extent that psychological / energetc imbalances around sexuality are pervasive in our society. these undercurrents that tie sexual issues with issues of guilt and shame or repression are found throughout modern human societies, so it is a common weakness in individuals that makes the investment in one's attractiveness quite effective.

that doesn't mean that we're powerless, because it is self-examination and work on the self that releases us from these issues and returns to us the power we've surrendered to others or to our distortions. by balancing our own issues with sexual attraction, for example, we engage in a process that uses catalyst for experience and self growth. our society of late does encourage individuals to buy into a culture of victimhood and powerlessness, of instant gratification and dependence on authority and central management. in this context, we are presented with what is perhaps a tough experience, but that's life - nobody will liberate us but ourselves.

there are more and less efficient ways to use this catalyst, and it seems to me that the difference is delineated by our perspective, our attitude. to the extent that negative people influence and manipulate us, these are opportunities for learning lessons about ourselves and the creator. this is why ra constantly refer to negative experiences, such as psychic attacks, with expressly benign terms such as "negative greeting" - when viewed as opportunities rather than obstacles or attacks, these experiences are paths to liberation, not subservience, because they point towards what we can do, rather than what is being done to us.