[w4WBthjv]

the bible says "the mark" would be required to buy and sell. if the dollar collapsed today, what would we do to obtain food, gas, etc.? wouldn't these items be rationed by the government? since the chip technology is ready to go, that would be an opportunity to implement cashless monetary system. you don't want to have a chip implanted? you don't receive any rations, total (almost) control. that's my $.02, if it's still worth anything.

[natahololll]

i would have to say that as a plot of the negative elite (illuminati and/or the neo-cons) the chip is far more effective just as a general tool to generate fear than it ever will be to track the populace and keep us in line. mind you, the illuminati (notice how i don't bother to give them any extra power by not capitalizing their name) love just such a scenario - where their threat of ability to have power over is enough to cow people into handing their power over. but there are many other species of human than cow these days and such a thing as actually deploying the technology en masse is only vaguely possible. and those scoundrels can only move the masses in the dark, they cannot budge even a single empowered being in the light.

their chips are stale, and there is no salsa. say no thanks.

interesting polarity involved here too, wherein a "singular" entity seeks to know all about each and every part (negative polarity) while all the "individual" parts seek to know themselves as singularity (positive polarity).

love, blessings, and abundance,

frank-o

[SteantyjetMaw]

mind you, the illuminati. . .love just such a scenario - where their threat of ability to have power over is enough to cow people into handing their power over.

excellent point.


fiz

[BuyNetHosting]

technology is just technology. it can be beneficial in the hands of the right people and a disaster in the hands of the wrong people.

i am not afraid of technology. i am leery, however, of those who wield this technology with a negative attitude and want to use it against humanity.

what i do not mind though are the new video cameras in a pill form. as these go through your digestive tract, they send images to a belt device worn around the waist and then the data is downloaded into an imaging thing the doctors can look at. this is a much better alternative than having a rubber hose through the back door or exploratory surgery.

what many people don't know, there are a few different types of chips. some can only respond to a scanner. but i hear they are working on (if not already been successful) chips that use energy from the body itself and is capable of sending data as well as receiving.

i see no sense in chipping. it's just another form of control. but deep down, i don't feel it will ever really go beyond a small percentage of people accepting it. so many people are waking up.

[9enackivegliva]

hi guys,

i wanted to know everybody's opinion on this "medical" verichip that was approved in 2004 by the fda to be implanted on humans, it will contain your medical information and in case you suffer an accident the hospital will have all your records and will be able to save your life "faster".

a while ago i read danion brinkley's near death experience in which this was shown to him, at first it had your medical information but then the government made it obligatory for everyone to have it implanted with your credit and bank account information, so if you did not have it you could not buy or sale anything. now, the "dark" side of this chip was that it carried a virus that the government could release in various cases, but in particular on the elder that were a baggage to the social security.

today i was listening to this hispanic radio station in central fl, they were talking about this chip and some very religious people called in because they were against it, they were against it because they said that it is the mark of beast and that the chip's number is 666 blah blah blah...armageddon...blah blah blah...doomsday...blah blah blah...

i frankly don't know what to think of it, as it seems to have pros and cons, so what do you think of it? dw, do you have any info on this from the law of one perspective that might be of help?

[Blacksheepaalredy]

i don't like the idea of having any type of unnecessary surgery. if they were concerned with saving lives why not just encode your medical history on your medical insurance card? most hospitals won't give you treatment without it or a credit card anyway.
so why the need for an implant? who is going to pay for the surgery to implant it? also, there is no guarantee that there won't be any deleterious health effects from the chip itself.

when the gvmt and elite learn to treat the rest of us with honesty, respect, and take responsibility for their actions that's when i may rethink my position. until then: i ain't no guinea pig, and i ain't no fool either.

[Ufkkrxcq]

as we talked about earlier, audry, i'm skeptical about the chip implanting scenario. the most likely way it would happen, i believe, would be if there was a epidemic of mass proportions that required everybody to submit to emergency health care measures. even then, it's just a really large task that i don't believe our top-heavy, ueber-bureaucratic government would be able to pull off if they wanted to. of course, many would have raised the same objection in response to speculation some 4 years ago that we'd invade iraq, so never underestimate the gov't's ability to ignore the costs of an action and do it anyway.

if the issue here is privacy, well, most of us are already highly trackable. credit cards, for example (which may be getting some sort of rfid according to an npr story i heard). if you're the type to assume the worse of the government, i'd look at any technology that centralizes information - don't just focus on the sexy chip implants. keeping people focused on one devil is a great way to slide in another one just as bad.

at the end of the day, the problem is not rfid chips; it's people not paying attention. the gov't has already far overstepped the bounds originally placed upon it. if people aren't convinced now that centralized authority is the problem, they're simply not going to be more convinced when the next enabling disaster comes along.

if you really want to "unplug from the matrix", do so in your head and heart. it is there that our "masters" exercise the greatest control - our own sense of insecurity, incompleteness, lack of trust of self, etc. remember these words of étienne de la boétie in the discourse on voluntary servitude:

obviously there is no need of fighting to overcome this single tyrant, for he is automatically defeated if the country refuses consent to its own enslavement: it is not necessary to deprive him of anything, but simply to give him nothing; there is no need that the country make an effort to do anything for itself provided it does nothing against itself. it is therefore the inhabitants themselves who permit, or, rather, bring about, their own subjection, since by ceasing to submit they would put an end to their servitude. amazing how spiritual that is; and yet, it's the basis of every successful revolt - both peaceful and violent - against authority in history.

[Seisyvose]

my inclination is to say that something like this is far fetched...

on the other hand, if it's true, then there are a number of implications as to how it may be implemented. first, there needs to be a way to convince people to actually participate in the program... publicity propaganda can do a lot but would hardly be sufficient to get past peoples' reservations. making it mandatory has some side effects too. if it's truly an undesirable thing (which i think it probably is) then those in positions of power would certainly avoid being involved. if it becomes public knowledge that those in power are avoiding it then revolt is almost imminent.

coming at a time when public outcry is on the horizon regarding the bush administration and 911 -- where all the public needs is a swift kick in the ass to get them to believe that they've been lied to and that there needs to be some retribution concerning the severity of the lies -- i doubt the government or those in power would provide such a swift kick in the form of identity chips. all their propaganda machines like sean hannity have been on overdrive lately trying to maintain the illusion of competency of the united states such that adding more fuel to the fires of contention would possibly overrun the capacity of such public figures to ridicule the advocates for truth.

on the other hand, if such chips were introduced, even if they were only supposed to contain medical information, i imagine that they would be very heavily criticized. what about hackers finding way to "hack" your medical information and use it against you? what about people who are already on the borderline regarding the federal government's capacity and right to monitor the public? the implications are huge and regardless of the feasibility of such a program, its implementation is doomed form the start.

my conclusion is that such a program is far more dangerous to use than not to use. regardless of the 666 cr*p (which this does sound suspiciously like) there are a remarkable number of things which make this program totally impractical, even for a power hungry elite to use against its serfs.

-charles

[Lypepuddyu]

why would they need to do chips? i personally worked with and assisted a person who was in the naval reserve that wrote much of the programming for the military smart id cards. these cards have embedded chips that maintains the medical records and personal information of the military person. all of the information that these chips are said to contain is in those id cards. so if the government wants to put avid style chips in people it isn't just for what they are saying it's for. if you're not familar with avid it has been around for quite awhile and stands for american veternary identification device. it is a chip that is implanted under the skin of a pet that can be read through the use of a special scanner. most animal control operations have at least one of these devices and are usually required to scan any pet that they pick up for the possibility of a chip. the owner's name and contact information as well as the vet's contact information that implanted the chip can be accessed from the company's database. sounds a lot like old uncle sam is trying to modify this system for use on people.

[BuyNetHosting]

personally i don't feel like it's a good thing. like said in another post, they can put every bit of info they want about you on a little chip that might be set into a card or some sort of medical database. the technology is already there. why fix what isn't broken?

what bothers me about the chips.. is yeah ok the first ones you could only read from. that is, put on a scanner or some sort of tool and get the data. but now they are making devices that can send and receive.

i think in future they want to tag every newborn and track the population via satellite. what they will do with the send/receive signals, who knows.

[VardyCodarexyz]

i knew a yellow lab named ella who had a verichip put in - she loved to get out and run around free, would lose her collar sometimes and get picked up as stray. on those best adventures she would get picked up, get fed, and be bathed - she would come home so happy afterwards like nothing's wrong. on the not so great days - the vet would get ahold of her and scan her as a means of getting her home - no bath, no food. i was really upset when she was run over and killed, had so much greif about it, wave after wave of grief just incapacitated me for a few days. i know that's what she loved to do - run free. my boys told me she got out to look for me, though when she was out running free so often she wasn't running for me - or maybe that was her game she played, hard to get. she was a great mom, a lab farm dog who had litter after litter, who would naturally gravitate to smaller dogs who resembled puppies. it amazed me how loving she was - more loving than most people i knew or know, as if the culture doesn't allow people to be so loving in such ways toward each other in some family groups, even though the human poetential for it is there - as if the culture can stiffle a person's ability to share and express love freely, though for a dumb yellow lab who doesn't know any better - it comes as natural. on many days that was my highlight, five to ten minutes flowing reiki to ella...bless her heart.