[Poothevokprot]

from the questions thread:
so along this line of thought wandering occurs the possibility of one breaching one's own freewill, a sort of self enslavement so to speak. i wonder if this is a paradoxical crux that eventually toggles, say a 5th density negative, upon a path to serving others - a sort of reasoning that one can act as one's own worst enemy in a way that catalyzes a more fulfilling direction. here a question could be, is there such a thing as "too much love" so much love that it seems to immobilize or inhibit another, or else so much love that it infringes freewill? this reminds me of the study of sociology, from which comes the idea that the very rich find security in wealth though often find themselves isolated from others by fear of losing wealth - in contrast to the very poor who find themselves immersed with many others though without any monatary security.

by nature of polarities, the extent of isolation or immersion may directly relate to a person's ability to "share love". in this case the circumstances of the person may act as some natural regulator by which "too much love" is just never an issue.

personally, i feel that if more people had a taste of what the high states of love have to offer, it would shift their value systems in a way which would act as a healing influence upon the planet, i.e. instead of furiously working for the means to make love (which they have little energy for when the opportunity arrives), they would simply furiously make love instead which would pose less stress upon the planet in terms of trade and commerce.
then again, maybe trade and commerce is acting as some sort of birth control which keeps the population moderated.

[leijggeds]

it is true that birthrates are lower in developed countries. is this partially because people in more agrarian or close to the earth societies haven't lost the primacy of family in their communities? with the family as a working unit are more children preferred in order to maximize the family's prosperity and/or to hedge against higher rates of infant mortality? families have been viewed as the 'molecular fabric' of society. with all our 'development' in this part of the world, are we losing something vital? or is it safe to assume that this is a necessary downside to obtaining the karmic lessons of living in the technocracy? i suppose it is one of the great things about these times that there is such a diversity of experience available now that souls that have lived in all ages of man, throughout the rise and fall of civilizations can find a place here and now in which to meet their karma, even the hi-tech atlanteans.

as for 'too much love', wouldn't a smothering love such as this actully be less love? i imagine it would involve a lack of consideration of the other self, or lack of wisdom. love must be tempered by wisdom, lest it defeats itself.

[Poothevokprot]

...as for 'too much love', wouldn't a smothering love such as this actully be less love?... there's the story of romeo and julliete, was that too much love? in the extreme it may be that love becomes so imbalanced, one dies for it. this may be an example of less love comparing integrations over lifetimes. what is it like to taste such love and live? it seems difficult to imagine a society sustaining itself with such extremes all the time, and so we live with so much to distract ourselves from experiencing love to the human potential. possibly the construct of marriage plays a part in this in some separative way. or else this might lead to the idea of balancing love with wisdom, (heartbreak as consequence of an inability to balance) and ideas that the universe as perfect provider gives people what they need (catalyst wise,) not necessarily what they want...

[adesseridopaw]

if the human connection to the divine lies within each human being "the kingdom of god is within you" finding the divine inside oneself or inside others is conceptually possible.
the practice of unconditional love, as opposed to co-dependence may well be just as genuine a path to revelation of the divine as any devised by mystics, priest, shamans or prophets.
on this path there is bound to be suffering (heartbreak) but we evolve through intiation (suffering) until we learn to evolve through joy.
always with love.

[stadiaKab]

on this path there is bound to be suffering (heartbreak) but we evolve through intiation (suffering) until we learn to evolve through joy.
always with love.

lucia - well phrased! :d put another way, suffering is the key to knowing and understanding yourself, joy is the key to growth.