[nickayary]

According to what I´ve read in astral dynamics, getting more and more obe experiences (rtz) trains the etheric body to be more effective in the out of body enviroment. ( easier getting out and operating outside )
Its like riding a bike, first you fail but after some training it´s pretty automatic

I wonder if I have trained my etheric body without knowing it, I´ve havent had so many conscious projections, but I´ve had many where I was somewhat aware, I think I felt vibrations. In the projections I´ve either
stepped out of body or just waiting to float out automatically. The projection attempts on these have never failed.

And then there are my other 2 projections where I was much more aware.
The first one I was very consciouss, I felt a little fear but when I felt the vibrations being heavy I got out automatically and hovered over the bed.
The second one I was not as aware but still more aware than the dreamy ones, I projected out by requesting some helping hands who actually grabbed me out. (Was not quite as aware as the first one since I felt no fear of the unknown hands)

So do you think I´ve already trained me etheric body quite well since I´ve never had to do a projection sequence the 2 times I´ve got out?
Or is there a relation between how conscious you are and the difficulty of projection?

/Magic

[Haftdrarp]

Hi Magic,

It kind of almost sounds like a catch22. In order to be effective out of body you need more experience but you can't get more experience without being more effective.

I think doing things like energy work, meditation, concentration exercises and personal work(introspection, emotional and cognitive) can help. These things have a natural tendency to get you used to altered states of consciousness.

It might not be too good of an idea to get caught up on states of consciousness either though. There are things that happen while out of body that you will be able to bring home and down to earth with you. So you don't necessarily need to be out of body or in a trance to experience somethings that happen while out of body.

For example for some reason it is easier to experience higher emotional states while out of body. Its not really a state though and you don't need to be out of body to experience something like that. You could be writing at your computer or doing something at work or taking a walk and bring what you have felt out of body with you. This probably doesn't make any sense though, lol!
I don't completely understand it all myself yet, still in concept mode.

[nickayary]

Ok, well doing energy and other stuff might be good too I agree, but I´m just thinking that perhaps I already have experience, but did not have as clear mind when getting it.
So If I were to project and being very conscious I´m thinking that my old dreamy like projections should have contributed in developing the etheric body? (hope you understand)

/Magic

[diseeKeythilt]

Hello, magic.

I'm not quite sure what you are asking, so I hope I'm not missing the point.

Even experiences that you would classify as "not clear" or "dreamy" are part of getting the energy bodies online. Your bicycle analogy catches this somewhat.

Let me put a different idea forward:

Having been told what a nonphysical state feels like, should be like, etc., and then trying to have that experience by trying to replicate exactly that idea in my experience works extremely bad with results that seem random, unreliable and frustrating.

On the other hand, asking for a certain experience works comparatively well, given you're not too ambitious. Like when you intended to have an etheric OBE, that is comparatively achievable early on. You fell asleep, and you had one during the night. Without suspecting you left it to the totality of your consciousness to work out how you could have that experience, and it worked it out and delivered it.

During the period of development necessary to prepare for the intended experience you might have had experiences you weren't consciously looking for but that were in alignment with your intentions. This is an aspect of development easily overlooked - that we dismiss many experiences we do have because they don't meet our expectations or don't match our concepts of what "should" be happening. So they don't get recognised as steps towards our goal.

To add another level of confusion it seems like the totality of our consciousness doesn't necessarily always pursue what our waking consciousness thinks as vital or important. If these two aims are at odds, everything is a struggle and nothing seems to work. If these two are reasonably aligned you might even get the results you wanted without knowing how or why. Both results are often experienced as confusion ("Why didn't it work?!", "Why did it work?!").

My suggestion would be that if you had clear etheric OBEs, though unexpectedly in your sleep, for example, that your intention was honored, that you had the experience you were aiming for, and that your energy body had undergone development that was necessary to achieve that goal. So, your energy body is in a state where your original goal "I want to have an etheric OBE" could be accomplished and so it happened.

The interesting question would be then - what next?

By setting intentions accordingly you will have new experiences. Observe the nature of these experiences like they are feedback to your intentions. Either you will have experiences that will seem to have to do with your intention, maybe experienced as steps towards or related, if only loosely. Or you will get experiences that seem like feedback regarding what is missing to proceed, what needs to happen or what you need to add in. Or you will have experiences that suggest another course of action or things to focus on, including a total lack of your intention to bear any recognisable fruit.

Cheers,
Oliver

[nickayary]

Hi, I´m not sure I understand exactly what you mean, but thanks for the tip.
The step next I think Is to practice more relaxation and mind taming.

And I don´t really like projecting in my sleep if thats what´s happening. I does not really does much for me, and usually I just wake up
ahead of time.

Why I want to experience obe right now is to be as conscious as I am now or even more,
and say with 100% certainty that this was not a dream and maintain a steady mind without my physical body getting tired and activating my sleep cycle.

/Magic

[Npbfamgt]

Greetings,
magic, I agree with your views in general. IMO when you wrote,
According to what I´ve read in astral dynamics, getting more and more obe experiences (rtz) trains the etheric body to be more effective in the out of body enviroment. ( easier getting out and operating outside ) I would say that OBEs train the consciousness to 'download' the OBE from the astral/ethereal body consciousness into the physical brain so that it those OBEs can be remembered.
In other words I believe that the etheric body is Already fully functional and experienced in the OOB State but that there is a gap that must be bridged between the etheric and the physical consciousness. This belief comes from experience because I too have had MANY dreamy, distorted, confused and unaware OBEs. However, I feel the reason is not the fault of the etheric/ethereal body but the ability of the physical brain to 'download', process and remember those experiences.

Regards
Grey