[Niiinioa]

Recently in Kurt lelands topic I found out the reason why I've been having some troubles in the astral was because I was projecting into an astral simulation without knowing it. The one I was initially in was designed to help me phase through walls and other things like that. I managed to clear that one, but now I'm in a new one. I'm about 90% sure this current one is designed to help me teleport. But I have been wrong in the past so I thought I would see what everyone else has to say, you can see it here

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I can take a couple guesses as to what future simulations will likely be about but don't know for sure. For those who have gotten through these, what were the things your simulations taught you? And how will I know when I've gotten through all the simulations?

[VemyhemiHef]

Hi Defectron.
I would say that the 'blind projection' is rather common, and may have to do with being close to your body- if I were to assign value to this, I'd say this helps you to stop relying on your bodily senses and to start relying on your etheric 'radar' senses, or to 'keep going as you are'. I think the blind projection happens to everyone and some or most of us learn to use our 'radar' senses to traverse the environment- you could say that this develops the etheric senses.
When you went through the barrier you got your sight back, and found yourself in a 'less than realistic' scenario. This is either an astral simulation or the astral proper, and you found the surroundings to be 'somewhat realistic' (the wood floor, etc.) but not really a realtime scenario- the scale was off. I would say this indicates that you were supposed to explore the scene and see what you were supposed to learn. You indicated there were lessons to be gone through and you did them, so I think you're on your way into getting more out of the astral plane.
I don't see what teleporting has to do with the experience, I didn't get that impression.

[Niiinioa]

I was thinking this one was designed to teach teleportation because of how things reacted when I got to the door. Earlier when I pushed on the walls to go through them they were cooporative when I was in the phasing simulation. But in this one the walls try to move away when I begin to phase through them. This means there are two possibilitys as I see it. One is that I'm supposed to get out of there in a different sort of way then before, the other is that I'm supposed to do something else that has nothing to do with the closet. I figured it was probably the latter due to the door falling off its hinges before I even got inside it which might mean I was entering the wrong way this time.

You might be onto something about developing senses though as I was able to somehow find my way around the second time without feeling along the wall. So maybe that's why I couldn't see. If it happens again maybe this time I'll just concentrate on navigating around the house a bit without sight and see what happens.

I did read ahead in astral dynamics about teleportation or instantnious travel as robert bruce called it. He mentioned one way to do it is to concentrate on a person and go to them. I might try teleporting over to my friends house and see if I can wake up his astral body since he'll probably be asleep.

[VemyhemiHef]

I personally have never done this by OBE, and only once through phasing, and it was by accident. I don't know if there is a specific procedure for doing this other than just thinking of the person, but that never worked for me personally.

[Niiinioa]

I guess I'll just have to wait and see if I keep projecting blind, if I do then maybe that will mean this is a sense test. but what are the other simulations you've had? Just wondering what to expect in the future. My inuitions giving me the feeling you might be right, but I wont know for sure until the next projection. I did seem to get around ok in the dark this time, but I don't know if it was enough to clear this level or not.

[baxodrom]

If you teleport in RTZ don't you just end up in the astral? Because I thought if you flew too fast, teleported, or lost focus you would end up in an astral realm?

I guess I have some experience with the training you were talking about. The last AP I had I went downstairs and there was a teenage girl there, she said she was projecting as well and wanted to help me. She showed me how she could walk through walls, and I did it as well. She said that it's just like walking through walls in my dreams (which I do all the time). She was telling me techniques she uses to go into astral. I got the impression she has a hard time doing that.

But I did notice that during this training my downstairs changed, it turned into an empty house that construction workers were renovating part of. And there were soccer players outside practicing. It was very odd. I started to think it was only a dream and began to lose more focus. I don't know what to think. I remember what felt real, and where it started to feel less lucid.

Is it possible for someone to teleport their physical bodies? I wouldn't want to, I don't want to end up in a wall or something. But I'm just curious.

-natalie

[Niiinioa]

Is it possible for someone to teleport their physical bodies? I wouldn't want to, I don't want to end up in a wall or something. But I'm just curious. I believe it is, though it's most likely more difficult then doing it in the astral.

Anyway after thinking it over, I think part of the simulation was like cftraveler said , used to train some other sense I could use to navigate in the dark. I only used it breifly but I did go over tot he doorway without feeling my way around. I believe this is why the hallway was visible again when I came out. But I don't think that was the only part of the simulation, there was something else I was supposed to do here which is why the closet anomaly was reacting badly to me trying to use it. So either I was supposed to use teleportation or I was supposed to do something else in the house.

I do have one idea, I might take a notebook and put it next to my bed, next time I project I'll ask what the purpose of the simulation is then I'll open the notebook and see if any sort of message is written on it. I have no idea if that will work, but its worth a try.

If you teleport in RTZ don't you just end up in the astral? Because I thought if you flew too fast, teleported, or lost focus you would end up in an astral realm? Sometimes that's true, but based on what I read that would only happen if you don't have a strong focus on where you want to go. If you think of a place, you'll have greater risk of that happening, unless its a very familiar place your mind might fill in the blanks and you'll be off when you try to go there. That's why I was thinking of teleporting to where a person is by focusing on that person, that would be a bit more accurate.

I think I did accidently use teleportation in one of my early projections, but all that did was get me outside the house.

But I did notice that during this training my downstairs changed, it turned into an empty house that construction workers were renovating part of. And there were soccer players outside practicing. It was very odd. I started to think it was only a dream and began to lose more focus. I don't know what to think. I remember what felt real, and where it started to feel less lucid. If this happened after you phased through a wall, maybe you accidently phased into another zone, like when I went to the giant bedroom, though in my case I was expecting something interesting to be on the other side of the wall, did you expect something out of the ordinary too when you did it?

One thing I'm wondering is if the simulations may be tailored to specific indevduals, for example maybe I would get one for teleporting since I might have a bigger inclination to try to use that sort of ability then cftraveler who never got a simulation for that? Dunno if thats what's going on or if this is actually for something else?

[baxodrom]

Was I expecting something out of the ordinary? Not really expecting anything. When I arrived downstairs and saw this girl my house began to change. But I felt overwhelmed by this connection I had to her that I didn't even really care about the anomalies. I can't really remember the exact point in which I thought "this could be a dream", but I think it was right around the time I noticed soccer players outside this house that was not my apartment anymore. This house looked like it was being built, there was saw dust on the floor and plastic on some of the walls, and I could hear people working on the house and using power tools.

I think the lesson in this simulation I had was to learn to raise my vibration to walk through walls and sheetrock. And also to AP into a painting. If she was a guide I wonder if that's why she gave me a funny look when I told her I wanted to stay in RTZ instead of go to astral like she wanted to. Maybe I was trying to go against the simulation lesson at that point. But I'm a pretty easygoing person so I just went with what she wanted.

I think your simulation was probably geared toward teleportation. It makes sense from what you said. Is that harder to learn than to walk through walls? I think I have teleported outside my house to the front yard on my 2nd AP.

How long have you been doing this for? This is my 2nd month.

[diseeKeythilt]

Hello, natalie.

But I did notice that during this training my downstairs changed, it turned into an empty house that construction workers were renovating part of.

That could indicate you "work on some changes" or "get some work done," possibly in your beliefs towards reality (which many equate with physical reality and hence "downstairs").

And there were soccer players outside practicing.

You also were putting practice in your astral skills through playful experiment with a "teammate."

Cheers,
Oliver

[diseeKeythilt]

Hello, natalie.

I think the lesson in this simulation I had was to learn to raise my vibration to walk through walls and sheetrock. And also to AP into a painting. If she was a guide I wonder if that's why she gave me a funny look when I told her I wanted to stay in RTZ instead of go to astral like she wanted to.

Well, the astral plane is the more interesting place - more learning to be had, more interesting experiences to be had, denizens and so on. Compared to that the RTZ does usually not offer much, at least during the training for projection. It's the higher planes where you want to go when you practice AP, really.

So, if you tell a guide you really want to hang around the RTZ (which usually is because people have an easier time identifying it as an OBE) instead of going to a higher plane then a guide might roll her or his eyes a bit.

I actually wonder why that is so - why people want that so much. I originally thought it was because of OBE books, but I thought the more interesting accounts of Robert's in "Astral Dynamics," or of Monroe's didn't have any relation with the RTZ at all. They're astral at least. In fact, revisiting Monroe's first book, which is full of RTZ and distorted astral plane experiences was outright boring to me - while his later two books have real inspiring "re-read value."

I find it great that you joined this guide, however. I'm not sure she would be a robot for the nature of the interaction. AP into a painting is an interesting topic - you might want to read up on what Robert wrote on "Virtual Reality Projection" - it's on this site in AD-Pedia.

Cheers,
Oliver

[diseeKeythilt]

Theosophy states that the speed of movement depends on the energy body you are in. Near the physical plane, movement is comparatively slow. Even in the astral body movement is still noticeable. In the mental body finally you start moving at the speed of thought. (It is, after all, "the mental body.")

If you try to teleport, one disadvantage, as you have identified, is that you cannot really determine where you're gonna end up. Including in which body! The energy body you end up in might also be determined by the location where you want to go, as is evidenced by one of karen659's latest adventures. So, a teleport might not just be a change of location, but also of body.

If you intend to go to the akashic records, you might end up in the mental body, as Kurt told in the other thread. If you want to go to a night school class, like Monroe describes, you might end up in the astral. Also, this depends on what is your most well-developed vehicle of consciousness and where it can go and so on.

All of this together can add up for some confusing experiences when travelling in this manner, as the vehicle corresponding to the task might not yet be developed enough to see, identify the function of a place, communicate with the beings there, or fully comprehend what is going on. On the other hand, any such exposure can improve the familiarity with that respective body and help developing it.

Asking a trustworthy guide or helper to assist would be a good variant. They can help you get where you wanted, and help stabilise your consciousness in the required state.

Cheers,
Oliver

[VemyhemiHef]

If you teleport in RTZ don't you just end up in the astral?

Technically it's all the astral, but we're making a distinction in terms of 'proximity to the physical' be it psychological or physical, the etheric (RTZ) being the closest to the physical, the astral and it's subcategories being the next step away from the physical, and the mental the next big step.

Because I thought if you flew too fast, teleported, or lost focus you would end up in an astral realm? You are correct about this. It takes energy to stay in the RTZ and that is where most simulations happen, and it's very easy to slip off to the middle astral, but if you haven't mastered your tests in the simulation stage more than likely you will wake up.

I guess I have some experience with the training you were talking about. The last AP I had I went downstairs and there was a teenage girl there, she said she was projecting as well and wanted to help me. She showed me how she could walk through walls, and I did it as well. She said that it's just like walking through walls in my dreams (which I do all the time). She was telling me techniques she uses to go into astral. I got the impression she has a hard time doing that. That sounds just about right.

But I did notice that during this training my downstairs changed, it turned into an empty house that construction workers were renovating part of. And there were soccer players outside practicing. It was very odd. I started to think it was only a dream and began to lose more focus. I don't know what to think. I remember what felt real, and where it started to feel less lucid. This might have been the limit of the training you were supposed to master, or you just were waking up, and incorporated outside physical sounds and made them part of your experience. That does happen.

Is it possible for someone to teleport their physical bodies? I wouldn't want to, I don't want to end up in a wall or something. But I'm just curious.

-natalie I suppose that in the larger metaphysical picture "everything is possible", but I don't think that's happened yet, except in third-hand accounts.

[VemyhemiHef]

I guess I'll just have to wait and see if I keep projecting blind, if I do then maybe that will mean this is a sense test. but what are the other simulations you've had? Just wondering what to expect in the future. My inuitions giving me the feeling you might be right, but I wont know for sure until the next projection. I did seem to get around ok in the dark this time, but I don't know if it was enough to clear this level or not.

If you're asking me, I've done many many simulations. My OBE diary has many, I can dig up some links, but there's so many....

[Niiinioa]

I think your simulation was probably geared toward teleportation. It makes sense from what you said. Is that harder to learn than to walk through walls? I think I have teleported outside my house to the front yard on my 2nd AP. I also think I accidently teleported in one of my first projections where I ended up in my front lawn suddenly when I wanted to go there. I think the reason why it didn't work in this one is two reasons. One is that the places I tried to go, the closet and the giant bedroom weren't nearly as clear in my mind, this was the main reason. Also I don't think I was able to focus as much. Anyway, to me phasing through walls seems to be easier, but maybe that's just because this is an ability I've mastered, who knows, maybe I'll change my mind when I get teleporting down.

Anyway what was it like going into the painting? I heard Robert Bruce mention this in his book but I havent really read much of that part yet. Was going into the painting like going through the wall or was it different? I have some posters in my room, I might try projecting into some of those when I learn this.

If you try to teleport, one disadvantage, as you have identified, is that you cannot really determine where you're gonna end up. Including in which body! The energy body you end up in might also be determined by the location where you want to go, as is evidenced by one of karen659's latest adventures. So, a teleport might not just be a change of location, but also of body.


If you intend to go to the akashic records, you might end up in the mental body, as Kurt told in the other thread. If you want to go to a night school class, like Monroe describes, you might end up in the astral. Also, this depends on what is your most well-developed vehicle of consciousness and where it can go and so on. I don't really care about if I end up in the wrong place right now as I just want to get the ability working. I'm just using my freind as a mark because its supposed to be easier teleporting to people, also I want to see if I can wake up his astral body.

but I don't think that's happened yet, except in third-hand accounts. Well I have read of accounts of this happening, but the closest it ever came to me personally is just having small objects around the house inexplicably vanish, sometimes they come back though. I'm not really sure if that would count as teleporting. I did have a freind who claimed to see a cat teleport, but I don't know if I would trust him too much as he has a tendency to exagerate or even make things up.

[Tndfpcin]

just wonna say shortly a big thanx to all of you and also the referring threads in which you pointing out so helpful all these distinctions of planes and realms so clearly! feel like i understand some things/views the first time in the right way. greetings.

[Niiinioa]

apparantly that one projection where I accidently used the sight wasn't enough to clear it, I had two more blind projections today. This is too bad because I'm in hawaii right now and wanted to try flying over to some of the mountains here. In the first one I rolled out and was blind, I phased through the wall intot he backyard and noticed the grass was cut short, not like it is here so I think I ended up somewhere else. Then in the next one I tried to use the sense but it wouldn't activate. I think I went about this the wrong way, my idea for next time is ask my astral body to adjust so I can see, maybe also work on the chakras associated with sight. anyway for those who have cleared the blind projection simulation how did you get it to work?

[BrainTop]

how about trying the good old command "CLARITY NOW!" ?
perhaps the lesson is as simple as learning to take control like this? or have you tried this already? i haven't followed the entire thread..

[diseeKeythilt]

Hello, defectron.

If the blindness is associated with developing a new energy body it can last for quite a while. Developing a new energy body takes time, activating the chakras in it. During this phase you might sometimes experience sight and sometimes not.

When going to a new energy body, the usual expectation is that all basically behaves as before. But my experience is that switching from energy body to energy body can give quite noticeable and odd changes even after you got somewhat accustomed to it. Odd perception changes are a giveaway for myself during these scenarios.

Blindness has reoccurred for me in different ways over several periods over the years, and in hindsight it might not be a bad sign at all. If you subscribe to the paradigm of multiple energy bodies it is usually a sign that you work on an energy body that is not fully developed yet, and every time you spent there is helping build it up some more.

In this sense I don't think blindness is part of the simulation itself, but part of the process of claiming "new territory." I know it can be frustrating if you want to fly around instead, but if you understand it as an investment in your development, you see that things are moving forward.

Cheers,
Oliver