[ugosanchezo]

Wow, posts went up quick while I was thinking.

Originally Posted by Gemma 3D black or meditation or whatever you want to call it, it's essentially a form of fantasising.

What? On the one hand you remote view about a love interest, and on the other you say you're not interested in fantasizing. Let me try another tack. Would you abandon anything and everything connected to your life here on Earth for another and Truer reality? No more neg, no more man, no more spiritual advisors and forums? Just wondering....

But if you would, there is a place some call a higher state of consciousness or a higher being or self, or the Kingdom, that is only a thought away. But it has one serious restriction - no luggage

I'm not familiar with the 3-D black, but it sounds similar. At any rate, if it's just a 'fantacy' should we not participate? What do we have if we don't have our imagination? Remote viewing is not the same as fantasy. It's more related to clairvoyant ability i.e. you see images within your mind's eye. The difference between remote viewing and seeing something clairvoyantly is that remote viewing takes place in real time.

I have never said I wasn't interested in fantasising. I still fantasise now, just like most people do. But the difference is I'm not escaping into fantasy like I used to just to get away from the neg situation because I know it will still be there when I return to the physical world mentally. Fantasy, and the benefits gained while fantasising is temporary and that was the point I was trying to make.

Let me ask you what is the point of letting go of everything to go to a place where nothing exists? You'll still have to come back from that (unless you've died) and deal with what's going on in your life. It's still temporary. Sounds like a form of escape to me.

[StitlyDute]

The point is, it's all very well using mantras, poems, music meditation, fantasies etc to attain some level of inner peace, but it's temporary. When you return to the physical world, the neg is still there. So you are having to deal with it in the end. Permanent inner peace is attained through introspection, working on your issues and resolving things within yourself that hold you back. Nothing else will achieve this.

Yes, I totally agree with the last part. I only suggested the "lifeline" as a temporary measure. Sometimes, though, temporary measures help us seize on the permanent ones. It's very difficult to perform meaningful introspection when you're in the middle of an anxiety attack. Lifelines help a person calm down enough to take real action.

For sure, emotional highs should not be confused with the high of real soul growth.

[HarryMet]

Remote viewing is not the same as fantasy. It's more related to clairvoyant ability i.e. you see images within your mind's eye. The difference between remote viewing and seeing something clairvoyantly is that remote viewing takes place in real time.

I have never said I wasn't interested in fantasising. I still fantasise now, just like most people do. But the difference is I'm not escaping into fantasy like I used to just to get away from the neg situation because I know it will still be there when I return to the physical world mentally. Fantasy, and the benefits gained while fantasising is temporary and that was the point I was trying to make.

Let me ask you what is the point of letting go of everything to go to a place where nothing exists? You'll still have to come back from that (unless you've died) and deal with what's going on in your life. It's still temporary. Sounds like a form of escape to me.

Do you RV your neighbor, or the guy you saw at WalMart? No. So why do you RV ‘the man’? because your sub-conscious dwells on him and it is the force of this need that drives the RV. How does that differ from a fantasy? Well, never mind.

You say the RV is real time, how do you know that? I’m not sure we can say very much for certain about remote viewing at all. My experience and those of my friends points to a very dream-like nature of the RV. For example: The target was a small stone with a painted face on it. During the test period I had a dream in which I ran over a large rock with my car. I guessed the object was a rock. Not bad, but you see how interpretive the process can be in a test setting.

Like you, I’ve seen many pictures, but they were not fueled by such a deep-seaded need or desire and seldom had any meaningful content to me. All I’m saying is; it’s a great little talent but don’t read too much into it.

And as far as “letting go of everything”? Yep, that’s just what I mean and I don’t see that you’re ready, at least quite yet, but that is what it takes to be ‘born again’. But when it does happen you don’t have to ‘come back’, you stay there and live your life from that perspective.

Good to you always,

Richard

[StitlyDute]

I wanted to add that depending on the content, mantras, poems, and meditations can take you closer to the physical world rather than away from it. Think of a barefoot walking meditation in the park or intense exercise with a blank mind. An attempt to be fully in the present, in one's body, isn't escapist; but, sure, to the extent that you're using exercises like those to avoid direct contemplation and action, they could be almost useless.

An endorphin rush is not the same thing as lasting inner peace and neither is nice clear mind.

I'm very impressed, though, that you're approaching all this with the awareness that you need to change in order to change the situation. That's rare.

At the same time, don't be too hard on yourself. Introspection can become a distraction too. It's easy to keep looking for reasons why, why, why and not to act.

There's a story the Buddha tells about a man shot by poison arrow on the road. The man doesn't see his attacker. He falls down, dying. His family and friends find him soon after he's hit. They try to lift him onto their wagon and rush him to a doctor, but the man refuses to budge. Angry, he insists that his friends find the attacker. He wants to know who shot him and why. His family and friends run off in search of the attacker, but while they're gone the man dies.

The sense of the story, I believe, is that sometimes it doesn't really matter how or why we're wounded -- what matters is to focus on healing.

[ugosanchezo]

So why do you RV ‘the man’? because your sub-conscious dwells on him and it is the force of this need that drives the RV.

Well, that's your opinion. But how do you explain the timing of these experiences? I mean I wasn't even thinking about the guy when I was subjected to these mind eye "movies" of him having sex. If it's because my subconscious dwells on him, then how come these sex "movies" stopped immediately as soon as I told the neg that its tactics weren't working, that I'm not jealous or angry? I can accept that I remote viewed the guy hanging out in a garden enjoying the sun, having his back massaged at a clinic, walking down the street and so on probably because my mind was on him a lot. But that's not the issue for me. The question was, could a neg influence or force me to remote view someone having sex? Could a neg alter what I see? I.e. if the guy is having sex with a particular woman, then could the neg make me see a different woman in place of the woman he's really having sex with? And so on. I certainly wasn't fantasising about this guy when I remote viewed him having sex on various occasions. That's what alerted me to there being something not quite right, hence me eventually turning around to the neg and telling him it wasn't working the way he wanted. Actually, this guy isn't the only person I've remote viewed spontaneously. I've remote viewed a few other people too, but I didn't desire them or anything like that.

How does that differ from a fantasy? Well, never mind.

A fantasy is something you construct in your mind. For example if you fantasise about having an expensive convertible and driving it, it's constructed within your mind by you, intentionally. You use visualisation to see, maybe feel and maybe smell the leather seats, the steering wheel, the feel of the wind going through your hair, the noise of the engine, etc. That is not what remote viewing is. Remote viewing can be triggered by visualisation, a skill that's also used when fantasising. But remote viewing is not the same as visualisation, and its not the same as fantasy.

You say the RV is real time, how do you know that?

I know it is real time because I knew someone who was bloody good at remote viewing. He could do it at will. Sometimes when we talked on Skype he would describe what I was wearing and the colour of my clothing, once he described the room I was in, and often he would describe exactly what I was doing, at the same time I was doing whatever I was doing. All of this was done without me telling him anything related to what I was wearing, what my room was like or what I was doing. It was pretty unnerving for me for a while because of his accuracy.

My experience and those of my friends points to a very dream-like nature of the RV. For example: The target was a small stone with a painted face on it. During the test period I had a dream in which I ran over a large rock with my car. I guessed the object was a rock. Not bad, but you see how interpretive the process can be in a test setting.

Sounds to me that the rock formed on the astral plane i.e. in your dream-scape because you and your friends were focussed on it. This is nothing to do with remote viewing.

Like you, I’ve seen many pictures, but they were not fueled by such a deep-seaded need or desire and seldom had any meaningful content to me. All I’m saying is; it’s a great little talent but don’t read too much into it.

Yes it's a nice talent, and it doesn't usually bother me when it happens, EXCEPT for the ones that involves seeing this guy having sex because I suspect the neg was behind these.

And as far as “letting go of everything”? Yep, that’s just what I mean and I don’t see that you’re ready, at least quite yet, but that is what it takes to be ‘born again’. But when it does happen you don’t have to ‘come back’, you stay there and live your life from that perspective.

Perhaps I'm not ready. Perhaps I'm happy to face the neg and do whatever I have to do (over time), to get shot of him. Perhaps there is merit in what you say about letting go of everything. But right now it's not something that sounds appealing to me simply because I'm not quite sure what "letting go" of everything really means. Maybe I'll find out later. Who knows?

[ugosanchezo]

An endorphin rush is not the same thing as lasting inner peace and neither is nice clear mind.

Agreed.

I'm very impressed, though, that you're approaching all this with the awareness that you need to change in order to change the situation. That's rare.

Thank you. But from my own experiences with attempting to help a few people get rid of their neg attachments, I've found that every single one of them were not willing to be honest with themselves enough to confront the very issues that kept the negs attached to them, let alone do anything about these issues. That's a huge problem.

At the same time, don't be too hard on yourself. Introspection can become a distraction too. It's easy to keep looking for reasons why, why, why and not to act.

Agreed. It certainly can become a distraction if you don't act on what you discover. It then becomes a pointless exercise.

There's a story the Buddha tells about a man shot by poison arrow on the road. The man doesn't see his attacker. He falls down, dying. His family and friends find him soon after he's hit. They try to lift him onto their wagon and rush him to a doctor, but the man refuses to budge. Angry, he insists that his friends find the attacker. He wants to know who shot him and why. His family and friends run off in search of the attacker, but while they're gone the man dies.

The sense of the story, I believe, is that sometimes it doesn't really matter how or why we're wounded -- what matters is to focus on healing.

Interesting. I will keep that in mind. Thanks.

[StitlyDute]

But from my own experiences with attempting to help a few people get rid of their neg attachments, I've found that every single one of them were not willing to be honest with themselves enough to confront the very issues that kept the negs attached to them, let alone do anything about these issues. That's a huge problem.

I've seen this too.

It can take a lot of courage to be honest with yourself. It takes even more courage to act on the discoveries of your honesty.

In many cases (whether involving Negs or not) I've noticed that introspection and progressive action is blocked by depression as much as avoidance -- but they amount to the same thing. Just as courage begins with acting despite fear, sometimes happiness is acting despite depression. Honesty can begin with facing avoidance around certain issues as much as facing the issues themselves. As you allow yourself to ask why you avoid, or actively resist, certain lines of thought, your issues begin to be outlined.

One issue of mine for many years was suppressing anger (which led to explosions of it). I only legitimately dealt with the issue once I asked myself why I avoided getting angry. I discovered that I had a lot of judgments about anger as an emotion, which led me to recollections of my dad exploding on my mother or us kids. Essentially I had a belief that "Anger is always bad." I was never untruthful with myself about my anger. I knew it was an issue. So in my case dealing with that issue wasn't a matter of being honest with myself per se, but it was a matter of finding out why I avoided anger.

Two more thoughts: (1) Often the thing we're afraid to do we believe we need exceptional energy for. And usually that's untrue -- or it's only true because we haven't broken down a big goal into smaller ones. (2) Our negative emotions only have the power to stall us as long as we're in judgment of them.