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Hi. I have a question regarding a fairly disturbing episode in my life, and I am hoping that somebody here may have some ideas about how to prevent something like this occurring in the future. I really wanted to post this on the David Icke forums, as this is related to my interest in conspiracy theories, but they are taking a really long time approving my account and I would like some insight sooner rather than later.

First of all to give some background information-- I have been interested in paranormal things all my life. My mother is an extremely intuitive and fairly "psychic" sort of person so I have always been exposed to this kind of stuff on some level. About the time I was 17, I started having spontaneous OBEs and my lucid dreaming got more and more intense. Over the past few years (am 21 now) I've dabbled in metaphysical books and things, and this past January I started getting deep into the "conspiracy" movement. Because it was so new to me I would spend hours finding information online, digesting it, discussing it with my mom, etc.

ANYWAY. So about mid summer, something very unsettling and unprecedented happened to me. All my life I've done this thing when I'm dozing off to sleep-- sometimes I see through my eyelids. I do this also when I halfway wake up in the middle of the night , or when it's early morning and I need to know what time it is, I can look at the clock without fully waking up and opening my eyes.

So this one particular time a few months ago, I spent the entire night in a very aware, anxious state-- just dozing off and seeing through my eyelids the whole night. The only thing I can compare this to is being very sick with a fever and drugged up on Nyquil. That's sort of how it felt, except I kept "hearing" MYSELF telling me to be careful. There was something I couldn't see in the corner of my room, I felt it, I heard myself warning me about it, and it was just a very very sinister presence.

The next day was the worst part. I spent the entire day feeling extraordinarily hungover. But this was worse than any hangover, far worse than being sleep deprived. Just a horrible, angry, gross feeling like I was pushing myself through a fog or a swamp all day. I couldn't even see very well, and I was so irritable. I can't even describe it properly. I have NEVER felt like that before or since.

I told my mom about it. We were both puzzled as to what might have happened, but I just let it be and forgot about it. It wasn't like weird things hadn't happened to me at night before...I have SEEN things before while dozing off on the couch, but it has never been a sinister presence until this time. My other experiences were just neutral.

Okay, so recently my mom and I discovered a past life regression method where she relaxes and clears her mind completely, and I ask her questions and she sees/feels the answers appear in the blank of her mind. She is very gifted and it came so naturally, that we started using this method for things other than past life questions. I started asking her questions about anything, and she would answer what she sees in her mind. I'm guessing she's tapping into the akashic records or something like that...

So the other day, I decided to ask her about my weird experience, and the answers she got scared us both. A lot. She told me that the thing I felt in my room that night was a very powerful negative entity, very FOREIGN (was the word she kept using) to our dimension. This is the worst part though-- when I asked how this thing came to me, she said I found something about it online during my research about reptilians and conspiracy theories. I found a NAME (I don't recall this at all..) and just by thinking about it, I caused it to cross paths with me in a very coincidental manner. And I felt so rotten the next day, because it absorbed some of my energy and disrupted my energy fields. She kept saying that I should forget about it, that it is dangerous to think about something like that because I might attract it again. She had to stop our session because her heart started beating so fast, she felt the intense anger from the memory of that thing being cornered in my room.

Now, being the incredibly curious person I am, I cannot STOP thinking about something that bizarre! If something so weird happens, how do you NOT think about it?! But because I keep returning to those thoughts in my mind, I am a little afraid that I might cause something to happen again. Is it true that just by thinking about something, you can attract it to you? So not even thoughts are safe? I am paranoid now that I am not even free to think and wonder about things without making myself into a sort of beacon.

My question is-- in your experiences, is it really that easy to attract negative things? Is curiosity really that dangerous, or was it extremely coincidental and probably won't happen again? I am certainly not the sort of person to want to interfere with entities. I wouldn't even get near a Ouija Board. I am not trained in dealing with this stuff, nor do I desire to be trained in dealing with this stuff. I know my limitations, I do not want to seek out entities positive or negative. It's hard enough dealing with human beings! All I have ever been seeking is information. Now I am a little anxious about even that...

I'd greatly appreciate ANY thoughts anyone might have.

[Allorneadesee]

Hi. I have a question regarding a fairly disturbing episode in my life, and I am hoping that somebody here may have some ideas about how to prevent something like this occurring in the future. I really wanted to post this on the David Icke forums, as this is related to my interest in conspiracy theories, but they are taking a really long time approving my account and I would like some insight sooner rather than later.

Hi Kelli. You will probably receive a different answer from me (and most experienced projectors) than what you will receive in the conspiracy forums, because a lot of what you describe are symptoms of astral separation, and have been experienced to some extent to anyone who has done some astral projection, even if not on purpose.

First of all to give some background information-- I have been interested in paranormal things all my life. My mother is an extremely intuitive and fairly "psychic" sort of person so I have always been exposed to this kind of stuff on some level. About the time I was 17, I started having spontaneous OBEs and my lucid dreaming got more and more intense. Over the past few years (am 21 now) I've dabbled in metaphysical books and things, and this past January I started getting deep into the "conspiracy" movement. Because it was so new to me I would spend hours finding information online, digesting it, discussing it with my mom, etc.

ANYWAY. So about mid summer, something very unsettling and unprecedented happened to me. All my life I've done this thing when I'm dozing off to sleep-- sometimes I see through my eyelids. This is what is known as astral vision- your consciousness has moved to your energy body, and is perceiving your surroundings with the etheric body itself. This sometimes happens before a separation and sometimes just by itself.

I do this also when I halfway wake up in the middle of the night , or when it's early morning and I need to know what time it is, I can look at the clock without fully waking up and opening my eyes. Yep.

So this one particular time a few months ago, I spent the entire night in a very aware, anxious state-- just dozing off and seeing through my eyelids the whole night. The only thing I can compare this to is being very sick with a fever and drugged up on Nyquil. That's sort of how it felt, except I kept "hearing" MYSELF telling me to be careful. There was something I couldn't see in the corner of my room, I felt it, I heard myself warning me about it, and it was just a very very sinister presence. This sounds like what is known as the 'Dweller on the Threshold' as an energetic phenomenon. There's a stickied thread about it in the OBE Research and Discussions part of the forum. The theory is that (and what you are describing sounds like you were in trance all night) your own energy body had expanded and partly exteriorized, and your own mind went "there's something in my room". Your amygdala is reacting to the energy ("someone else" in my room) and feeling fear. But your energy body is connected to your physical body, and is receiving energy from your mind. So your mind is saying "I'm afraid", and the fear shapes the energy (which is your energy), which then returns the fear back to you, who is feeling the fear and receiving the fear feedback and feeding it more fear- more energy.
If you have a specific fear (reptilians, vampires, or whatever) you may shape the energy with that shape- and if you have a fear of something subconsciously, it may take that shape also. And the feedback continues, feeding you more fear, and you keep giving it more fear. And this doesn't stop until one of three or four things:
You break the connection by completely waking up (wiggle your toe, break paralysis, and get up off the bed, go for a walk, etc.)
Go towards it, instead of cowering from it- this will cause you to reintegrate with your partially separated energy body, and more than likely, you will find yourself projected away from your physical body. At this point it is best to get away, decide if you want to explore, and then either AP or come back to your body. Depending on how exhausted you find yourself, you may find you can't go too far, or snap back in your body, completely awake this time.

The next day was the worst part. I spent the entire day feeling extraordinarily hungover. But this was worse than any hangover, far worse than being sleep deprived. Just a horrible, angry, gross feeling like I was pushing myself through a fog or a swamp all day. I couldn't even see very well, and I was so irritable. I can't even describe it properly. I have NEVER felt like that before or since. This happens because you were projected for long periods of time, and chances are you didn't hit delta at all that night- you were majorly sleep deprived. Projection does mess with brainwaves, but not as radically, unless you project many times in one 'sitting'. I have felt this when I did it (projected many times, for hours and hours) so it doesn't surprise me.

I told my mom about it. We were both puzzled as to what might have happened, but I just let it be and forgot about it. It wasn't like weird things hadn't happened to me at night before...I have SEEN things before while dozing off on the couch, but it has never been a sinister presence until this time. My other experiences were just neutral. You had regular clairvoyance or projection before, this was your first experience with the dweller phenomenon.

Okay, so recently my mom and I discovered a past life regression method where she relaxes and clears her mind completely, and I ask her questions and she sees/feels the answers appear in the blank of her mind. She is very gifted and it came so naturally, that we started using this method for things other than past life questions. I started asking her questions about anything, and she would answer what she sees in her mind. I'm guessing she's tapping into the akashic records or something like that... Very possible. I get mine similarly. The problem is that the answers can come from the AL, but they can also come from some primitive part of your subconscious, and it's hard to tell where the info comes from- looking back usually gives you the answer.

So the other day, I decided to ask her about my weird experience, and the answers she got scared us both. A lot. She told me that the thing I felt in my room that night was a very powerful negative entity, very FOREIGN (was the word she kept using) to our dimension. This is the worst part though-- when I asked how this thing came to me, she said I found something about it online during my research about reptilians and conspiracy theories. I found a NAME (I don't recall this at all..) and just by thinking about it, I caused it to cross paths with me in a very coincidental manner. She kept saying that I should forget about it, that it is dangerous to think about something like that because I might attract it again. She had to stop our session because her heart started beating so fast, she felt the intense anger from the memory of that thing being cornered in my room. I suppose this is possible. If it is, it would also explain how it made you feel bad. I do agree that it may be dangerous to think about it, but I also have other theories about it- any negative entity can be attracted to someone feeling fear, and they can pick up on what the fear is, and project it to you- so it can be a garden variety neg using your own fear, "fluffing up" to cause the maximum fear possible. This does happen, and the best course of action is to deny it fear.


Now, being the incredibly curious person I am, I cannot STOP thinking about something that bizarre! If something so weird happens, how do you NOT think about it?! But because I keep returning to those thoughts in my mind, I am a little afraid that I might cause something to happen again. Is it true that just by thinking about something, you can attract it to you? So not even thoughts are safe? I am paranoid now that I am not even free to think and wonder about things without making myself into a sort of beacon. Realize that most astral dwellers are not dangerous, and this is why they try to magnify your fears, which is the only thing that feeds them. And denying it fear is the way to make them stay away. They will lie to you, make themselves like 'more' than what they are.
Think of them like mosquitoes who (instead of blood, eat energy) they will make you think they're a pterodactyl (or whatever is scary) for you to be tasty. Don't fall for it.


My question is-- in your experiences, is it really that easy to attract negative things? Is curiosity really that dangerous, or was it extremely coincidental and probably won't happen again? I am certainly not the sort of person to want to interfere with entities. I wouldn't even get near a Ouija Board. I am not trained in dealing with this stuff, nor do I desire to be trained in dealing with this stuff. I know my limitations, I do not want to seek out entities positive or negative. It's hard enough dealing with human beings! All I have ever been seeking is information. Now I am a little anxious about even that...

I'd greatly appreciate ANY thoughts anyone might have. Ok, let me tell you what I think:
You're a natural projector, with an open mind, who will not doubt what you see. You had a lot of trouble falling asleep, because of the fear that you built up by reading conspiracy theories. You went into a trance, and got stuck in the liminal state. Since you were not trying to project, you partially separated, and had a dweller experience. The dweller quickly turned scary because you already had the seed of fear.

Part 2
Your mom is likely telepathic. She picked up two truths- what you're afraid of, and what you believe you know about ets. She also knows that there are critters out there. It's possible that she also picked up whatever critter, that fed her the idea (half true) that thinking about a certain critter attracts it. (There is a grain of truth in this, since thinking about anyone or anything will connect you to them in a psychic way.) But you don't know if this specific character even exists, or is a construct. Anyway, this is a truth, so you were given the information (possibly by a lower astral critter) that had no other possible effect than scaring you. In other words, you both were probably manipulated.

Now, you and I know that there's no possible way that you can 'just not think about it', because the seed was planted in you to fear it and to think about it. So, I suggest you look into what we call 'passive countermeasures' to keep critters away so that you can sleep and build up your strength, read up on what astral wildlife really is (and I'll get you a link to Robert's PSD section on it, because the AD pedia links may not be working) and have faith.

The truth is that you are safer from critters than you are from fearmongers.

[Allorneadesee]

Here's some links that you may find helpful:
Astral Wildlife

http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/inde ... &Itemid=57

Passive Countermeasures
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[RIjdrVs3]

100 points to CFtraveler for totally just rocking and debunking any confusion,

[yovbQVpD]

CFT's interpretations are all accurate, especially to describe my own personal experience with the "Dweller On The Threshold" Fear. However, any of us who have existed as pure thought forms know that since we can do it, other creatures are just as likely to have the same ability, perhaps becoming exactly what and who the eclectic literatures on the subject have described such creatures as. I will say this: I am being vague on their identities entirely purposefully. Ever since I had an experience with a group of dangerous beings from the Castaneda area, I threw away all my books by him even though they were the most entertaining reads I had, notwithstanding the fact that I had become convinced prior to that night that they were actually pure fiction, and have never looked back until reading this article. And now that I have stopped for a moment to focus on that dangerous, fateful night of mine for the sake of another's information, I will to forget it again promptly.

Like attracts like on etheresque systems like internet webrings, therefore it is only rational that other etheric-style systems may have similar orders of relationship.

What you emanate, you resonate.

"...be ye therefore wise as serpents..." - Matthew 10:16

[RIjdrVs3]

? wise as serpants? what does that mean

[Allorneadesee]

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV

In biblical times the serpent was a symbol of wisdom. That's why the serpent 'tested' adam and eve with the tree of wisdom.
Believe it or not, there was no negative 'sinful' connotation about this- it was about consciousness, the ability to understand the difference between good and evil (or the duality of material existence).
That is how Jesus used the image in this instance- to be able to live in the material world you have to have the awareness of perspective. He was leaving people who had transcended duality in a dualistic world, and they had to maintain their humanity to be able to live as humans.

[RIjdrVs3]

thanks

[Thorwaywhobia]

If merely thinking about something could attract it, I ought to be seeing all sorts of things by now because I think and wonder about many things. Now, a negative entity might have been bothering you; but regarding what I have read about negative entities, they have no power over you except that which you give them. They will bully you are suck your energy only if you are afraid of them. If you are bothered by negative entities, I think you simply have to use a psychic self-defense technique.