[Immonnaornach]

this is not any ordinary obe, ive had obes before and it didnt feel like this. anyways, ive had this happen to me 2-3 times now over the past few weeks. i just lay there in bed, close my eyes and then just relax and suddenly i just drop out of this world and my body just flies really fast, and the one thing thats running through my mind is "whoa this is really cool and i love it, but its too intense and i feel like i could lose myself and drop out of reality as i know it". the world i saw is similar to the astral world, except i felt someone touching me. last night it happened for the 2nd or 3rd time, and it was sudden, i was nowhere near being asleep.. but then suddenly the whole world went dark and i felt a presence... and this prescence was touching me in a sexual way, and i got scared and i just started flying really fast downwards.. just REALLY fast and intense

and i know this is not an ordinary obe, because ive had numerous obe's for the past 10 years. ive had spontaneous obes, ive had lucid dreams, and ive had many in between's... ive had lucid dreams where i turned it into an obe, ive had times where i was drifting off to sleep and felt vibrations and pulled myself out and then jumped back into my body and thus having a 100% obe experience, and ive also had obes where i got out but then fell asleep along the way.

but the experience i described earlier is COMPLETELY different. i dont know how else to explain it, except its many times more intense, and i really felt like i wouldnt come back if i "let go" and i guess the main difference is how in all the other obe's ive ever had i was always alone. and i would always feel some form of exit from my body (if i was just laying there conciously on my bed) but this new experience ive been getting is different because it happens instantaneously, and the second or third time i actually felt a presence who touched me. im not sure if the presence felt evil or was innocuous, but the entire time i just felt pretty excited and intrigued..but for the first time ever i felt fear of not returning to the physical world. which is weird, because ive been out many times before and not once did i fear not returning.

[GaxyGroordrep]

Did you feel like you were 'underground'?

[Immonnaornach]

yeah it did, but its more like.. getting sucked into a black hole. couldnt even move, couldnt speak, and my astral body was going down at an immense speed.
just so theres no confusion heres a timeline of the events that happened last night:

1. laying in bed
2. visualizing my bathroom, just casually for whatever reason. suddenly my visualization transformed instantly into an obe
3. i floated out of the bathroom and felt a presence touch me sexually
4. i suddenly felt myself getting sucked away at immense speed. surroundings were dark and black. (imagine falling off a dark building at night, only MUCH faster than gravity can pull)

[GaxyGroordrep]

For just in case, I'd recommend you adopt some simple countermeasures, like a salt bath or shower, and maybe some other form of countermeasure, such as a sage burning.
I can't say for sure if it was a negative entity, but just to be safe...

[TeLMgNva]

Just some ideas:

Maybe this experience feels more intense because it is a different plane or corresponding energy body. It could be that the difference in vibration of the mental level to the ("lower") astral level registers to you this way. The separation without exit sounds more like phasing, which I always wondered whether it is more a mental body phenomenon.

The feeling of not coming back if you let go might be a representation to yourself of the greater psychological distance you have to cover to get where you are "going" to. Same with the intense movement sensation. Robert Monroe's adventures intensified when he was beginning to be guided by beings (the feeling of presence or touch) and I think I've read about the idea that "Far Journeys" notes the point where Robert Monroe stepped into the mental body for his explorations (which become more clear and meaningful.)

Oliver