[Filling25]

I am still trying to wrap my brain around this one.

Last night I had another spontanous OBE. Very clear and lucid. I became aware of exit sensations at about 4:30 am. There was no vibrations, only a strong/full-body-hum! Exit was quite easy. I wasted no time. I went straight up thru the ceiling and over the house. Very stong, elating, electrical feel in the 'air'. I looked up towards the sky, trying to catch a glipse of the moon, and stars. The sky was black. Just then everything else went black. I felt myself bieng sucked 'up'. I fought it for a second but decided to just go with it. Movement seemed to stop and my sight returned. I found myself in a bedroom looking over the body of a young child. I suddenly 'sensed' that this boy was in fear, primal fear. I wanted to help, but as I reached out for him, I could suddenly feel STRONG vibrations. Not coming from ME, but from the boy. He was in paralysis, and he was vibing out of control, and I could feel the intense fear. It was also clear that he was aware of me. And I realized that everything that I tried to do made the fear worsen in this kid. I tried to touch the kid on the shoulder. Just then, a BURNING memory of an early OBE as a child, became bright and clear in my mind. An impossible memory, of an early OBE experience.

THIS KID WAS ME!!! I remembered!!! But i remember being touched by an evil/demon-like shadowy figure. (This was in the very early days when I was fighting with paralysis and Strong Vibrations/Hallucinations etc...) I remember calling out for help, but the only thing that came was this menacing entity, very large and powerful. Scared the hell out of me. I remember this experience as a kid, now I HAVE EXPERIENCED THE SAME OBE 20 YEARS LATER, FROM A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE!!! I backed away as fast as i could. I remember flying up and over the house. (did not recognise it to be the house i was living in at the time.) Then a 'fast-jolt' and sat up straight in my bed. The whole thing was over!!!

Is it possible? I am not new to OBE, but this is advanced stuff.
If my childself was experienceing my adult/self (astrally, thru some time-slip mechanism) then why did I appear to be so menacing and overpowering, and frankly evil or demonic?
And, if my adultself was experiencing my childself, then why could i not help my childself?
I wonder if this is the effect I am having on others in the astral.
I certainly do not FEEL evil or demonic. Did I really call out (thru time and space) to MYSELF for help???
I have had DejaVu, and 'future' dreams many times, but never an advanced, parrallel, time-awareness experience like this.
It all feels like a 'dream-state-lesson'. Except it was a fully conscience exit projection.
Has anyone had a similar experience? Advice?

[GaxyGroordrep]

I am still trying to wrap my brain around this one.

Hi Earthborn.

Last night I had another spontanous OBE. Very clear and lucid. I became aware of exit sensations at about 4:30 am. There was no vibrations, only a strong/full-body-hum! Exit was quite easy. I wasted no time. I went straight up thru the ceiling and over the house. Very stong, elating, electrical feel in the 'air'. I looked up towards the sky, trying to catch a glipse of the moon, and stars. The sky was black. Just then everything else went black. I felt myself bieng sucked 'up'. I fought it for a second but decided to just go with it. Movement seemed to stop and my sight returned. I found myself in a bedroom looking over the body of a young child. I suddenly 'sensed' that this boy was in fear, primal fear. I wanted to help, but as I reached out for him, I could suddenly feel STRONG vibrations. Not coming from ME, but from the boy. He was in paralysis, and he was vibing out of control, and I could feel the intense fear. It was also clear that he was aware of me. And I realized that everything that I tried to do made the fear worsen in this kid. I tried to touch the kid on the shoulder. Just then, a BURNING memory of an early OBE as a child, became bright and clear in my mind. An impossible memory, of an early OBE experience.

THIS KID WAS ME!!! I remembered!!! But i remember being touched by an evil/demon-like shadowy figure. (This was in the very early days when I was fighting with paralysis and Strong Vibrations/Hallucinations etc...) I remember calling out for help, but the only thing that came was this menacing entity, very large and powerful. Scared the hell out of me. I remember this experience as a kid, now I HAVE EXPERIENCED THE SAME OBE 20 YEARS LATER, FROM A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE!!! I backed away as fast as i could. I remember flying up and over the house. (did not recognise it to be the house i was living in at the time.) Then a 'fast-jolt' and sat up straight in my bed. The whole thing was over!!!

Is it possible? I am not new to OBE, but this is advanced stuff. I don't think it's advanced at all- maybe the ability to do this on purpose is advanced, but I suspect this happens more often than what we think.
It seems that you were your own Dweller on the Threshold. The description is in the OBE R&D subforum, it explains why we shape it the way we do.
If my childself was experienceing my adult/self (astrally, thru some time-slip mechanism) then why did I appear to be so menacing and overpowering, and frankly evil or demonic? Feedback loop. Since your energetic essence has no specific shape, his fear shaped it. You only reacted and left.
And, if my adultself was experiencing my childself, then why could i not help my childself? I don't understand this. There was nothing for you to do, except to try to communicate. But no matter what you 'did',he was in no shape to just go "Oh, it's me in the future. Ok, now I won't be afraid." Depending on how old you were, of course.
I wonder if this is the effect I am having on others in the astral. I doubt it, especially since most of us projectors don't go to other people's bedrooms at night, except by accident.
I certainly do not FEEL evil or demonic. Did I really call out (thru time and space) to MYSELF for help??? I suspect that your Higher Self had something to teach you from this experience.
I have had DejaVu, and 'future' dreams many times, but never an advanced, parrallel, time-awareness experience like this. This should show you how it works, and that it is possible.
It all feels like a 'dream-state-lesson'. Except it was a fully conscience exit projection. Yep, that is what Monroe learned in the end: That his guides were future versions of himself, and that dreamstate lessons become sometimes-aware lessons in projections. So expect more of those, though not exactly in that way.
Has anyone had a similar experience? Advice? I have and I do. Have an open mind, relax, and enjoy. And no matter what, don't ever be afraid.

[Filling25]

I don't think it's advanced at all- maybe the ability to do this on purpose is advanced, but I suspect this happens more often than what we think.
It seems that you were your own Dweller on the Threshold. The description is in the OBE R&D subforum, it explains why we shape it the way we do. I definately did NOT do this on purpose. This one definately took on a life of its own! I have often wondered if the 'menacing' presence was ME, or a higher representation thereof.

Feedback loop. Since your energetic essence has no specific shape, his fear shaped it. You only reacted and left. Yes, of course, that makes sense!!!

I don't understand this. There was nothing for you to do, except to try to communicate. But no matter what you 'did',he was in no shape to just go "Oh, it's me in the future. Ok, now I won't be afraid." Depending on how old you were, of course. I did hover over him. I thought that i could help with the exit, or extend some love or support. i do remember that once i felt the boys Fear, then it was alive and burning in me too!!! there was nothing left to do but get out of there!
I suspect that your Higher Self had something to teach you from this experience. This should show you how it works, and that it is possible. AND I WILL NOT FORGET!!!

Yep, that is what Monroe learned in the end: That his guides were future versions of himself, and that dreamstate lessons become sometimes-aware lessons in projections. So expect more of those, though not exactly in that way. I cannot thank you enough! This site is amazing. Bless you,CF... I think it may be time to revisit the Monroe trilogy again.