[Crilosajsamq]

Greetings,

I am new to this forum and I want to start by saying how happy I am to find a forum that is large, active, and constructive like this one. I have happened across one too many AP forums that aren't even worth the time it took to register.

So I've been practicing AP for about a month now and thus far I'm taking to most of the process like a fish to water. I think it might be important to say that I've been researching AP for over 5-6 years now but just recently started to seriously attempt projection. And I never researched AP as a skeptic who needed convincing, I believed it from the first time I heard about it. I don't really know why I never attempted to project seriously up until now. I just intuitively knew that the time wasn't right. The point of this is that I am well versed in AP theoretically, I know my Astral Projection, I just haven't felt my AP, which is a world of difference.

Now I'm practicing as frequently as possible, which amount to about 6-10 times a week. I am following techniques from Astral Dynamics and for most of the attempt I am successful. I can induce a trance [though my body doesn't go numb and I'm not fully paralyzed, I don't know if that's necessary, I didn't think it was] and I've learned the mental process that produces a falling sensation in my body. I do my relaxation, some energy movement/stimulation, induce trance, energy circuit, then start climbing the rope. Sometimes I'll sit/lie there for 1 to 1-1/2 hours and sometimes it takes 30 minutes. The first time I sat down to make an attempt [after having read AD] it took about 1-1/2 hours and then BAM! out of nowhere my breath picked up, my "heart" started pounding, my eyes started flickering open/shut, I thought I was having a seizure or something because of how hard my "heart" felt like it was beating. It felt like my whole body was shaking. Then i felt a floating sensation in my hands and arms and then nothing.

I knew that the sensations I felt were normal, exit related symptoms, so I knew I was close. I kept at it and within 6 more attempts I was down to almost no symptoms [at least nothing so intense that I couldn't ignore them]. Yet I still haven't be able to successfully exit. I've gotten so far as to feeling my head, legs, and arms all floating at the same time. I have tried many different techniques from Robert Bruce and others [but mostly RB's] and still no success.

I don't know if I'm over thinking or if I'm tensing up or what. I've tried at every time of day and every degree of tiredness or relaxation I can find. I don't think it's fear related because like I said, I'm very familiar with what to expect. I've got Monroe's "Gateway Experience" and "Journeys Out of the Body" Hemi Sync collections but I have had less success with those than with what I'd been doing before on my own, so I'm probably not going to use those any more because as RB says "what works works".

I don't know what else there is to do besides keep it up. And I have no intention of giving up, I was just wondering if there was anything anyone could spot that has the potential to be holding me back.

Also, I have a specific question that I haven't been able to find an answer to anywhere. How long does separation take? Not how long does the whole projection take, just the actual moment of separation, the exit. Because I begin feeling like my arms and legs are floating, like they are separate, or I feel like my body is separating, but its always really slow and I can't keep up the movement that is jarring the double loose. So from the moment that you first begin to sense the separation until the point where you're saying "Hey, I'm not in my body anymore". Is it a slow process that happens little by little over the course of a couple minutes or is it always really fast?

Thank You for your help.

Rusty

[Hammaduersnes]

Greetings,

Hi Rusty.


So I've been practicing AP for about a month now and thus far I'm taking to most of the process like a fish to water.

Now I'm practicing as frequently as possible, which amount to about 6-10 times a week. I am following techniques from Astral Dynamics and for most of the attempt I am successful. I can induce a trance [though my body doesn't go numb and I'm not fully paralyzed, I don't know if that's necessary, I didn't think it was] It's not strictly necessary, especially with experience in altered states, however it's easier at first to be paralyzed (or more specifically disassociated from your body).
and I've learned the mental process that produces a falling sensation in my body. I do my relaxation, some energy movement/stimulation, induce trance, energy circuit, then start climbing the rope. Sometimes I'll sit/lie there for 1 to 1-1/2 hours and sometimes it takes 30 minutes. You're not doing anything wrong, I just have an alternate idea (or, some stuff to add to your routine). How about when you finish the energy raising go back to trance induction (aka more falling or rising), do some energy body loosening, and then engage in 'mindful observation'- that is to get to the point of deep deep trance (by observing whatever is in front of your eyes (blackness, or blobs, or whatever you see or not), for a while, until you feel definitely having reached an altered state (having some sort of symptom, such as vibrations, visions, or just 'feeling weird') and then start the exit. Try this for a while and see if it helps get there.

The first time I sat down to make an attempt [after having read AD] it took about 1-1/2 hours and then BAM! out of nowhere my breath picked up, my "heart" started pounding, my eyes started flickering open/shut, I thought I was having a seizure or something because of how hard my "heart" felt like it was beating. It felt like my whole body was shaking. Then i felt a floating sensation in my hands and arms and then nothing. Conventional theory will tell you you activated your heart chakra to generate your projectable double (or to expel it, depending on who you ask).

I knew that the sensations I felt were normal, exit related symptoms, so I knew I was close. I kept at it and within 6 more attempts I was down to almost no symptoms [at least nothing so intense that I couldn't ignore them]. Yet I still haven't be able to successfully exit. I've gotten so far as to feeling my head, legs, and arms all floating at the same time. I have tried many different techniques from Robert Bruce and others [but mostly RB's] and still no success. There could be a few different reasons on why no exit- from 'too early' to 'not deep enough' to 'exit technique/exit symptom compatibility'. Any of these could be the culprit, that's why it's good to experiment with different things.

I don't know if I'm over thinking or if I'm tensing up or what. I've tried at every time of day and every degree of tiredness or relaxation I can find. I don't think it's fear related because like I said, I'm very familiar with what to expect. I've got Monroe's "Gateway Experience" and "Journeys Out of the Body" Hemi Sync collections but I have had less success with those than with what I'd been doing before on my own, so I'm probably not going to use those any more because as RB says "what works works". Interesting. I hear Gateways is a slow-and steady as you go method (not so much to make you project, but to get you to the right state so you learn how it feels, while JOOB got me there fairly quickly- except they don't make me project, they just get me to 'that' state. Focus 12, or whatever they call it. I do enjoy them for meditation purposes. But that's another theme.

I don't know what else there is to do besides keep it up. And I have no intention of giving up, I was just wondering if there was anything anyone could spot that has the potential to be holding me back. Well, see if what I wrote helps.

Also, I have a specific question that I haven't been able to find an answer to anywhere. How long does separation take? Not how long does the whole projection take, just the actual moment of separation, the exit. I'll bet different people will give you different answers, but I'd say that it takes about 2-3 seconds subjective time. The 'getting out' using rope can take from three seconds to half an hour of pulling (no, I'm not kidding- One time I tried to 'force' a projection just to see if I could, and I had to pull on that thing for around 30 minutes). It was an interesting experience, feeling incredible heaviness. But I don't recommend that, too much work.

Because I begin feeling like my arms and legs are floating, like they are separate, or I feel like my body is separating, but its always really slow and I can't keep up the movement that is jarring the double loose. So from the moment that you first begin to sense the separation until the point where you're saying "Hey, I'm not in my body anymore". Is it a slow process that happens little by little over the course of a couple minutes or is it always really fast? A lot of times partial separations like that are very difficult, because we tend to use 'centering' techniques (such as rope) to get out, and it would be easier to go to energy body loosening when confronted with this problem, before moving on to an exit technique, unless it's a non-centering exit technique, which is probably another post.

Thank You for your help.

Rusty I hope it helps.
ps. Energy Body Loosening techniques are listed in one of the stickied threads in the OBE Research and Discussion subforum.
Cheers.