[Haftdrarp]

Hi,
I have looked around to see if this has already been asked, couldn't find anything but apologies if it has been. I have had a situation going on around me for 3ish yrs. I won't go into it now but I have had and still have negs around me. My question is about clairaudience. In the last few months I have started hearing, as in subjective clairaudience, direct voice, I don't hear in my voice, I hear theirs, female, male, different tones etc. Heard objectively a couple dozen times. I've read on here about forced telepathy which seems very likely is my situation right now. Literally 1st time I've found info about it & am re-assessing if I am clairaudient or not.
So if you hear as in forced telepathy, does that mean you have clairaudient ability generally or is it just forced telepathy from negs and out of that situation you are not clairaudient?
Sorry if it's a dumb question, this site has blown me away, never found another so spot on for what I need to know.
Many thanks,
Dawn x

[VotsUtegems]

My first question is- does this happen all the time, while waking, or at night?
I don't believe in 'forced telepathy'- it's like saying that if you have a receiver that's turned 'off', you can still receive provided someone else 'sends' strongly enough.
You have to have a working receiver to receive. Then and only then, can someone 'send'- and the stronger sender will be the loudest.
Now, in the case of negs, it's not really telepathy- but it is observable that some people have negs and don't consciously hear them.
So a certain degree of clairaudience is necessary, except when in the liminal state- in that state everyone is clairaudient, if they're paying attention.

Now I am in no way clairvoyant, but when I'm in the right company I can 'see'- which brings me to the next possibility 'attunement'. You can be in a very close synchrony with someone and receive when they send- just because you're 'tuned up' to that other person. It may be physical (as in the case of identical twins) or it may not- but it's just one more possibility.

But if you're hearing this in the liminal state, it's just hypnagogia, which is natural for everyone. As long as they remain aware during the phase.

[Haftdrarp]

It happens basically now and again throughout the day and evening, every day. I can hear what is being said and it repeats(the sentence) until I 'get' it. Then moves on, just like a conversation. When I haven't been blocking and receptive to it, I 'talk' back either verbally or through my mind, which they hear and respond back to. Sometimes a male will be talking for a bit, then a female takes over or visa-versa. Several people in the conversation but mainly talking one at a time to me, it's normally always about them or asking me something that is about me.
I've had the negs around for 3 yrs and it''s only been recently that I've heard them. Always been aware of them upto this point through other ways. The way I started hearing was at first like high pitched tones of words/someone speaking which I could hear but not make out but once I focused the actual tones of an individual voice could be heard and the words could be made out pretty clearly. As this went on it became easier to do.
I read about forced telepathy on here and hadn't heard of it before, thought it may have been what I was having, I'm just a bit confused what I am!

[VotsUtegems]

How do you know what you're hearing is negs, and not aspects of yourself?

[Haftdrarp]

I don't know but then I think I would be a bit carried away if it was aspects of myself, the voices, individual differences, there's been a fair few. And at times I can't make something out, they'll be an adjustment in sound with "now can you hear me?" said in either a louder tone or different. As well as when hearing I feel them around me. I feel as in actual touches very strongly. Also heard sentences starting with "can you tell her..." as if I can't hear that voice when I can. One of the things I heard a few times initially is "how are you hearing us". Then later "shut-up, she'll hear us". So can't help thinking it's not aspects of myself. I had tones coming in and out at the beginning of it & I did deliberately develop hearing, it didn't just happen without me practicing. I was amazed when the 1st time happened,(didn't hear voices this 1st time) it physically felt like cones were stuck in my ears halfway through the practice, strange feeling.

[VotsUtegems]

Well, I'll set the self-aspect thing aside, because it's a long post and I haven't had my coffee yet- but how do you know it's negs talking to you, and not any other type of entity?

[Haftdrarp]

Snap, coffee time for me too!
I can't be sure what type of entity to be honest. Had lots of advice from various people over time all pointing to negs around me, had threats etc in the past. Just to give you a snapshot of a minutes communication I'll use an example.
Sat quietly, voice heard, conversation starts with something on the lines of will you talk to me or can you hear me etc. I 'talk' back if I've heard the words sometimes verbally sometimes through mind. Sometimes become very aware of where the entity is, for example sat beside me. When I have looked knowingly where he/she is sat it will be commented on, she knows I'm sitting beside her which normally produces some excitement, not for me.
Comments such as I'm getting to know her obviously let me know that it/he/she has not spoken to me before. If someone else wants to speak either they just start talking sort of over the other and the other disappears, new voice takes over or the being talking to me will ask permission, tell me someone wants to speak to me and will wait until I say yes, or keeps nagging me about it!! Wanting me to 'perform' has been said a fair few times, what on earth is meant by that specifically I do not know. Armies, wanting me to be a leader(& know she'll fight it added), locked in is said soooo many times, just examples of some things that have frequently been said. The locked in thing is them being locked in to this here. Oh & we've been sent is another frequent one.
Comments by other voices that come in with urgency happen now & again "your in danger!" "got to warn you" etc. Especially if I have done any work like sending healing I've noticed. Also once I've said that's it, finishing the conversation sometimes someone will speak to me shortly after saying "you haven't even spoke to me" said in a hurt way normally! A man has and is doing a clearing for me, he uses r/v and magnetism. He told me I had many negs around me. A lot have gone but the long termers are still around me.
So I just don't know for sure but try to figure it out over time. I don't want to think they're not negs and fall into the trap of thinking it's all fine when it might not be, so err on the side of caution. Maybe I should post about what has happened (experiences) then it's the whole picture?

[VotsUtegems]

That's fine if you want to, but I'd do it in the PSD forum instead.
I have no opinion either way, as I've had similar experiences to yours, including the 'overheard convos', the 'talking about me' convos, the 'talking to me' in a nice way, or in a threatening way, etc. but I tend to not think it's negs (sure, it could be). I just don't take anything I hear that feels external to me as any kind of truth whatsoever, and consider myself a visitor to this state who happens to be there- a tourist, so to speak, who doesn't feel threatened but doesn't necessarily feel that everyone is nice and should be trusted either.
I only asked about the 'neg presupposition' because it's my view (or feeling) that attributing all communication to negs puts you in a 'prey' position which then attracts them- so staying neutral is a way of defense for me.
That doesn't mean I haven't tangled with a neg or three, or that I don't believe in them- I'm just no longer afraid of them, in the same way that I don't expect to be attacked by wildlife whenever I walk out the door.
That's the only reason I asked.

[Haftdrarp]

Oh, I see. Yep if I do I'll do it in the PSD forum. What you say makes total sense about the prey set up, absolutely get what you mean and agree with you. At one time I'd get really upset & affected by threats etc but after a few dozen times of it, it became like, "sigh!" this old chestnut again! Blahdeblahdeblah!
Pretty sure if they could have done anything to me it would have been done by now so not worried by it anymore. I don't react in the way that is probably desired I'm happy to say.
Thanks for your input Cf, much appreciated.

[VotsUtegems]

Blahdeblahdeblah! For some reason I imagine you holding a very small fluffy dog while you say that.

[bumxumer]

This is interesting, I've never heard of someone getting frequent audibles from negs while mentally stable. This goes to show how much I know. I have however dealt with neg influence, although since my gifting is more towards clairvoyance, it’s usually been visible. It’s my belief that the negs would show themselves to me to induce feelings of fear and doubt, and therefore to unbalance me and create chaos in my life.

If these beings are talking to you, they must feel they can gain something from it. Do you have any idea what they want? You say you’ve reached the stage where you are no longer influenced by their threats, but does their long term presence unbalance your life?

[Haftdrarp]

Hi Jasper,
Sorry, when people reply an email goes to my spam and I don't know I've had a reply. Thought I'd sorted it out.
Anyway I do hear negs but it's not just negs, the others I hear are as they put it "good people"! Heard a neg very clear & loud last night, loud almost shouting, louder than others, "you don't know what could happen next" said in a threatening tone sort of gives me an idea it's a neg!
Seriously though I can tell the difference when it's a neg, almost straight away. So not dominantly negs talking to me, the others talk to me more & at times warn me there on their way. Like last night.
I'm looked upon by them as unusual, a lot of the reason this has taken place. My reactions & understanding(or not understanding the true intent) is seen as a bit of a challenge to the negs. A bit shocking almost to them, when I was supposed to be afraid, I've been fascinated.
Last night they said before the comment above "almost impossible to frighten her". The reason for this for me is because I refuse to have threats etc dominate my life, my mind etc. I'm afraid I've responded in the past like "bring it on then!" No way am I going to let them have that power over me.
I wish it was all rosy n nice & everyone who spoke to me was good but it goes with the territory I think.
I can't turn it off so have to deal with it the best way for me.
As far as causing unbalance in my life, yes I suppose it has at times, have broken down in a heap in the past, caused lots of problems, so that's why I'm where I am today with it. I will not let that happen again. (I'm a bit stubborn and have a will of iron myself!)
What do they want? Control I think, to be able to manipulate me, try to frighten, anger me, so they can gain from feeding off my emotions. One of them says he is my father! Why can't I remember etc. One who first came here admitted he was here to cause upset, was shocked by my reaction, everyones frightened off him etc and he said he started to feel 'stable' here was the word he used. He invited others to 'meet me'. It has caused a lot of attention from ones I'd prefer not to be having. It's a long story, been happening for 4 years now so sorry to waffle, hard to just say one or two things to explain it all.
So I plod on & take it as it comes. Well don't just take it! I just try to handle things in a way that keeps me in some control and sanity just about remains.
Hope I've explained it better & not confused you by my ramblings!