[Brareevor]

i read somewhere that robert bruce believes that after we die we'll have full use & control of our subconcious mind, therfore we'll be able to live our dreams and do anything and everything we'd ever wanted to do when we were alive, and keep doing that until we evolve out of desires for materialistic things... ?? or something like that

okay, is it true? if we have full use of our subconcious mind we can create a world with our imaginations and make them very vividly real? like, after we die, do we go through a period where we can just indulge in all fantasies ever conceived? okay I know nobody knows for sure, but with OBE and how you can create things with your mind (alice in the wonderland effect), it seem very likely that if one can fully control it, then it seem possible that after we leave this body and have total control, we can choose to create anything we want with our mind, and at that time we wouldnt have to worry about lack of energy or having to return to the physical, so we'll have eternity to play around with that

[Dyerryjex]

i read somewhere that robert bruce believes that after we die we'll have full use & control of our subconcious mind, therfore we'll be able to live our dreams and do anything and everything we'd ever wanted to do when we were alive, and keep doing that until we evolve out of desires for materialistic things... ?? or something like that

Because this sounded to me like something so unlike what Robert would say, I looked it up and found this:

One of nature's blessings is that us humans have the ability to forget. Memory fades with time. The memories are still there in the subconscious, but faded and shelved out of the way. This allows us to enjoy life and have new experiences. Without this ability we'd drown in the misery of having every painful experience memory up close and personal all the time. This would cloud our minds and grossly interfere with our ability to enjoy life. The afterlife process is a bit like this, in that eventually all memories fade and we grow into a state of mind that is empty and hungry for more. At this point we let go and do it all again in a different way. Not too scary, aye........ In fact, its quite an exciting thought. Try looking at children as they are exploring their environment; such wide eyed delight and wonder.....priceless.

http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials ... ppens.html

I also know that Robert has read about the binary soul theory (not sure if he embraces it, though) and has talked about it, in which the author states that upon death the soul and spirit split into the equivalent of conscious mind and subconscious mind, and the subconscious soul continues to create without reason or rhyme the type of situation their psychology and memories would dictate, while the spirit takes the ability to reason with it but no memories or symbolic thinking, and eventually reincarnates (which is why we don't remember our past lives) while the information learned from life remains as part of the akashic records, and the only hope of a person from getting 'off the wheel' is to locate it's twin soul (that is, the part that is the information and memories, you could call it etheric subconscious) and reintegrate with it, then upon this reintegration some sort of control (although I would call it more like understanding) could be imparted to it and then the 'master' level would be achieved, and then reincarnation would not be necessary (but possible).
Is it possible this is what you read that sounded like that?

I don't know if your initial assertion is true, but I don't think so.
Everything I've seen (whether real or not) points me to a very different reality, one in which the things you call "indulging in fantasies" would be of no value to someone who has integrated to enough possible selves to have "seen it, done it" and ready for something else completely.

[CiccoineFed]

Robert Bruce isn't the only one who believes that, Edgar Cayce wrote articles about it and near-death.com has some of his articles, in addition Sylvia Browne and John Edward also say it in their books.

You asked if it's true, well, only the dead know that. I myself have experienced astral projections, exactly as Robert Bruce describes in his book. I've done it by accident repeatedly before I even knew the book existed. Considering the fact most ghost stories claim of seeing a transparent (which is a synonym for lucid - look in the dictionary) ghost, and putting two and two together it's not unreasonable to assume we may enter a lucid dream after we die.

What do we do in the afterlife? I'd think anything we want. You have no sense of time when dreaming, so getting bored probably isn't an option. I'd think you eventually feel a pull to reincarnate, but only at your own leisure.

[Brareevor]

Is it possible this is what you read that sounded like that? no.. i just found the link to what i referred to, go down to the very very bottom "death", its the 2nd paragraph, thats what my thread was referring to

http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials ... art-2.html

[Dyerryjex]

Is it possible this is what you read that sounded like that?

no.. i just found the link to what i referred to, go down to the very very bottom "death", its the 2nd paragraph, thats what my thread was referring to

http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials ... art-2.html http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials ... -2.html#15
In it he talks about the shedding of all the desire bodies (theosophists and Hindus alike define all perceptual bodies as desire bodies) unti one reaches complete oneness. So what was the question again?

[Brareevor]

so to shed the desires body, you can use subconcious mind to have everything you ever wanted.. to have everything in abundance, so if I like hot girls I can sleep with all beautiful girls in the world. and to keep doing that, until I dont want it no more

[JANALA]

You want to know if you can sleep with hot girls after you die??

[Brareevor]

just one of the many desires.. drive fast cars, eat all day without gaining weight, have sex with hot models, beating up my high school bullies, winning the lottery....etc

[Dyerryjex]

so to shed the desires body, you can use subconcious mind to have everything you ever wanted.. to have everything in abundance, so if I like hot girls I can sleep with all beautiful girls in the world. and to keep doing that, until I dont want it no more

Not necessarily- what he is saying is that upon death you shed the bodies (perceptual mechanisms) one by one until you have no desire bodies, in which case you're done.
If you die without having your desires (which are a byproduct of corporeal existence) fulfilled, then you'll most probably create a new desire body and reincarnate- until you're done reincarnating and eventually all desire bodies will be shed.
In other words, you have a physical body because you desired to explore the physical. You have an astral body because you desired to perceive the astral. You have a mental body because you desired to explore concepts- you have a buddhic body because you desired to experience higher states, and you have an atmic body because you desired to be one with the all. But when you're done reincarnating, if you have experienced every aspect of being there can possibly be, you will have no desires, so you will not need a perceptual mechanism- then you'll be done, and possibly for an unknown (and possibly unknowable "Next".)

[Brareevor]

so what do you think happens when I die, but hated the physical world and wish no longer to have anything to do with it... but instead want the other ones (astral mental buddic etc)

and do you think reincarnation is a choice, like its up to us whether we reborn again in this world, or are we forced to it..? like obviously just opinions

[preachadaq]

Your perceptions about your life when dead will most likely differ when dead from when you were alive.

What this life was falls away and is replaced by the "soul perspective" (the "seeing the big picture" kind of view) - the part of yourself that seeks to evolve through all these lifetimes. This part of yourself has its own priorities, purposes and intentions, and the life you led might be in accordance with them or not.

Oliver