[Jalieteplalry]

I just have been so busy working that on most nights I am too sound sleep to project. Sometimes I don't even get enough sleep.

Last night I woke up from a dream and then went back to sleep. The facial movement came back again. But I focused on how I felt and what I see in my third eye, not focusing on my physical body.

I became aware again to be in a bus moving in the normal speed. The bus is moving in a tunnel and it was dark. I couldn’t make out things or people around me. All of a sudden I approached the door from my seat which is in the middle of the bus. I got near to the front of the bus but it was dark and I was asking where the exit is and try to get out. But I didn’t seem to see the driver there and I realized I was not using my legs and was floating. The bus was still moving. I tried to go back to my seat and I was basically floating back. I sensed some people in other seats but couldn't really seee them and I tried to find my own seat but couldn’t see it. I felt I was wobbling in a weird way and wondered to myself “ Am I OBEing?” So I tried to swing my bag that I carried and found that it’s flying or doing some kind of weird motion and I knew I was OBEing. The next scene I knew I was checking whether I was OBEing on my bed. I found that I was vibrating and I was free floating in my bed where I sleep. So I flipped over somehow could see my own shimmering outline. I started to float away from bed and was so glad I didn’t fall to the floor. I remembered to float away to the door. And out I went. But next thing I knew, I was in a kind of movement and seemed to be on that bus moving away. Then a noise brought me back to my room. My cat (or my brother) did something on my foot to wake me up while I was still trying to sleep and then he (or it) jokingly went out of the room, somehow I was sad so I said “I am going to tell Dad you bothered me!” Gradually I woke up and realized that the room that I was in was a bit different. When I OBE, I flipped over and faced down, but when I woke up, I was in my usual position facing up.

I am glad that I was able to move away from my room. From last night I learned that while trying to project, focus on how you feel, not in your physical body. Also go into whatever you see in your third eye, not physical body or surrounding.

I always wonder about the facial movement though. It's like something sucking my face tight. Can it be the energy going inward so in the meantime, the skin is trying to going inward as well?

[Dyerryjex]

I don't think so- in the liminal state a lot of stimuli gets brought to the surface, (that can even be memory-related) and the feedback between the energy body, dream body and physical body can do weird things to your experience. If I were you I'd do some clearing and shielding before projecting, because even though I don't think anything external is bothering you, the feeling of security will go a long way to go out in a more carefree way.
Even the simplest circle casting or prayer does wonders for this sort of thing, regardless of beliefs.

[Jalieteplalry]

I don't think so- in the liminal state a lot of stimuli gets brought to the surface, (that can even be memory-related) and the feedback between the energy body, dream body and physical body can do weird things to your experience. If I were you I'd do some clearing and shielding before projecting, because even though I don't think anything external is bothering you, the feeling of security will go a long way to go out in a more carefree way.
Even the simplest circle casting or prayer does wonders for this sort of thing, regardless of beliefs.

Thank you CFT!

These facial movement do not scare me. I usually just go with the flow. But I just don't know what they are. Some people have their limbs move around by themselves. Mine is usually the twitching of my neck and head. Less usual is the muscle on my face being suck in one direction, like something in the face got pulled in one direction. I am not even doing anything or thinking about anything. I do know these have to do with energy, because they get intense and stronger after I work on my secondary energy centers. Also these only happen when I am totally relaxed in bed and doesn't happen any other time.

Does anyone else experience the similar movement, like a big opening sucking them, when you are trying OBE?

[Dyerryjex]

Now that I think of it, I suppose my experiences of being sucked forcibly out of my body (by the legs) might apply- since mine was so different in quality I didn't connect both experiences. I sponged mine away- maybe instead of working on your primaries you might want to do some general face sponging and some energy ball work on the entire inside of your head and not work on the primaries for a while, and see how it works for you?

[Jalieteplalry]

Now that I think of it, I suppose my experiences of being sucked forcibly out of my body (by the legs) might apply- since mine was so different in quality I didn't connect both experiences. I sponged mine away- maybe instead of working on your primaries you might want to do some general face sponging and some energy ball work on the entire inside of your head and not work on the primaries for a while, and see how it works for you?

Ya, whenever I have facial muscle being sucked by a vacuum like force, I would still be quite awake, and I have never been able to project that way. Could you link me to your experiences of being sucked out of the body? I thought I read through your journals but can't remember where it is.

But somehow I projected in other ways the other night. Would you say my experience the other night was some type of projection? I value your opinion as an experienced projector very much!

[Dyerryjex]

It's not in my journals. I had already beaten that stuff when I started projecting regularly again and started journaling. But there are a few posts left of when I came in here looking for help, sometime in 2004 or 5. Unfortunately some of them (most of them) got deleted when our admin went on a pruning spree before we switched servers. I'll see what I can find.

[Dyerryjex]

This is all I could find.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=741
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1126

[Jalieteplalry]

This is all I could find.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=741
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1126

Wow these sound scary! I have never associated these with being yanked by other entities. But you did see a teenger boy around you. That's really scary!

The episode of facial muscle being sucked by a vacuum-like force only happen right after I work on my secondary energy. Does it mean one explanation is that only when I work up my energy can I open up myself for other entities to manipulate my energy body?

What does the sponging do then if the entity really is here to manipulate you?

Also do you think my experience the other night sound like a projection to you?

[Dyerryjex]

Originally Posted by CFTraveler This is all I could find.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=741
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1126

Wow these sound scary! I have never associated these with being yanked by other entities. But you did see a teenger boy around you. That's really scary!

The episode of facial muscle being sucked by a vacuum-like force only happen right after I work on my secondary energy. Does it mean one explanation is that only when I work up my energy can I open up myself for other entities to manipulate my energy body? No, because I don't necessarily think that I was forced out by an entity- it's possible that I was having uncontrolled projections and projecting my own fears (intruders) or thoughts to the experience.

What does the sponging do then if the entity really is here to manipulate you? It makes the energy move to give you control. In my case, my legs were doing something I didn't control, partly because I hadn't yet connected the experience to projection (I had experience as a spontaneous projector, but no experience in how to control it). This happened for around eight years before I heard of Robert Bruce and NEW, and that's why ended in these forums- trying to find out what the heck was happening to me. In about three or four months of working with energy, the happenings either stopped or escalated. Obviously something changed.
Sponging, once I learned how to do it, taught me how to take control of my energy body by transferring my conscious attention to it. At the time of my happenings, I didn't even know I had one.
As to entities, some people can remove attachments by moving the energy- and the energy exercises teach you to take control of astral things, especially when they trigger clairvoyance and clairsentience, helping you see and feel these attachments, so you can use your energy hands to remove them.

Also do you think my experience the other night sound like a projection to you? Yes, I think it was at least the beginning of it.

[Jalieteplalry]

Thank you! CFT. I will definitely try sponging.

The thing is though, if I relax in the beginning of my meditation, the muscle of my face would be sucked (vacuumed) upward occasionally too, but the force is not as strong as after also working on my secondary centers. I almost feel like it has to do with surrounding like maybe a vortex. When my energy is right, I am able to tune to that energy frequency and receive its effect. That's just my own theory.

Ya I still only have beginning OBEs comparing to some people here!! But I am glad!!