[Enfotanab]

A young member of my dance troupe committed suicide and apparently is earthbound. She visited me the night she died (before I even received news of her death) and has re appeared trying to communicate with me several nights after. I feel horrible about this, but every time I tell her to leave. I tell her to cross over to the other side, to move on, to go to her guides, I tell her guides to come get her, etc. etc. But nothing works.

Her energy is so overwhelmingly negative I just can't bring myself to communicate with her. None of my other dead friends/relatives have bothered me like this. I am beside myself with what to do. I could communicate but don't know if it would do any good anyway. She still seems concerned about things that are going on here. She does though, seem to realize she is dead. I think.

Part of the problems I suspect are her closest friends who can't let go to the point of obsession, they were were not so mentally balanced to begin with, and were acting bizarre at the funeral. I think they might keep calling to her, keeping her here.

Do I sit down and talk to her? The horror, fear, and grief that surrounds her energy though, my god.

[blogforloversxx]

Leyla,

She's coming to you for help. The only way you can help her is to talk with her, find out what she wants. She may feel like she left something unfinished here and she's coming to you to finish for her, like saying good bye to those friends, or she might just need to talk and explain why she did what she did just so someone could understand and tell her story. she may be afraid of moving on...afraid of what she may face. she's come to you for a reason, and she'll keep coming to you until you help her. once she's completed what she needs done, she'll go on her own...

best of luck and love to you Leyla.

chris

[MegaJIT]

I would say... help her if you choose to, don't be guilted into it or feel obligated if you really feel it's going to be a liability to yourself, but yeah, it sounds like she may keep coming back whether you like it or not. Not meaning to sound uncompassionate or anything like that... I just think that we should never feel compelled to act through guilt or a sense of obligation; we should help solely because we deliberately choose to. IMO this is ultimately a healthier arrangement for all involved.

On another note, I've been doing some inner work on myself lately that might be relevant if you're worried about being negatively affected by other people's energy, living or dead. The gist of it was I figured out that the empathic aspect of myself was viewing other peoples' emotions as a personal assault for some reason, so in addition to feeling those emotions it was causing a bunch of anxiety issues.

What I did was dialogued with that aspect in meditation, and changed the way it was operating. From my private blog:

I fixed that one by telling that aspect that other peoples emotions are not to be seen as a threat, as they're theirs, not mine, and I can't and won't take responsibility for them beyond trying to interact in an open and understanding way. But also that other peoples' emotional states are not permitted to enter my personal space unless I deliberately try to connect with them, for info, healing or whatever. I may adjust that at some point in the future so I'm alerted to potential problems without having to seek them out directly. For now I'm loving the peace this has brought me, and am going to enjoy it for a while. The effect has been that even when I'm around upset people, I can tell they're upset but my own state doesn't change. I don't communicate with spirits (workin' on it!), but since you do, you could probably specify with your empathic aspect that communication gets through but negative emotions don't.

Hopefully this'll be of some use to ye.

[Enfotanab]

I sat up last night and called to her aloud. I am aware that they can hear you when you speak out loud to them. When she appears she always stands just outside my protective circle.

I think part of the problem is in her family having raised her up in so much Christianity. I think she really believed she was supposed to go to hell ;or at least be forced to walk to earth in unrest. I decided to explain how there isn't a hell. Explaining the word translated as "Hell" in the Old Testament Hebrew is: sh'owl sheh-ole' or shol {sheh-ole'} --grave, pit. A hole in the ground. Not a place of torture and eternal torment. The word translated as "Hell" in New Testament Greek is: geena gheh'-en-nah of Hebrew origin; valley of (the son of) Hinnom; ge-henna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem. It was used as the local garbage dump. Thus the flames and worms.

I really felt the energy change when I told her there was no hell for her to go to. She just has to take the "test" over again. Until she passes. I felt her push toward me with something like relief or joy.

I told her she can't do a thing for her loved ones by staying here. That for her loved ones to be okay, first they must know that she is okay and in a better place and better frame of mind. She can drop in and visit later, and show them how she is doing well, and that will give them peace.

I also called to my ex b/f, the painter, who also committed suicide. He made it across okay and is doing much better now with help from his guides. His mental state is much improved. I know b/c he drops in on me from time to time. I asked him if he would come get this girl, as a favor to me, and try to help her get across and show her that there is nothing to fear. They both know me, they both committed suicide, so they already have a lot in common. Maybe they can hang out over there.

I hope I accomplished something.

[gopsbousperie]

It sounds like you made positive strides in the right direction

[Starichok]

I agree w/ Fish. That very much sounds like you made some good choices!

[MegaJIT]

Ditto the above, and extra points for effective use of theological geekery. I discovered Bruce Moen a while after I did the same research about hell -- and it was one of the biggest things that motivated me to continue on with metaphysics. I figured that this idea of eternal punishment was really screwing up the afterlife for a lot of people, some possibly for centuries, and there are probably a lot more people in that situation than there are people with the knowledge and ability to help them out. So, I started out with the strong desire to be able to do retrievals. I still have that desire, but my development ended up going off in a million other directions, and oddly enough I still haven't hit most of the original stuff yet.

But yesh... well done! *applause*