[Eujacwta]

Hi everyone,

I guess my question will seem a bit odd especially considering that I have done +300 OBE so far, but I never managed to get out using Robert Bruce's rope technic although I did get some major sensations.

I don't have that much of a problem going "out" with some other technics of my own, but I am a bit frustrated that the rope tech is the first I learnt and one that I still don't master

My problem is that everything works fine until my astral senses appear halfway through the experience, therefore I see and feel my astral hands obviously moving in the "air", with no rope, and the pulling action stops immediately whatever I do, my mind can't be tricked anymore. What I usually do at this step is to roll on my side and get out this way, otherwise I am pulled back in my body as I am not fully out. But is this supposed to be like this ? Or is there really a way to get fully out of body using only the rope technic, but what to do then when we got astral sight and see that we are holding nothing ? The rolling technic is good but often sends me to close to the "pure" astral, although I prefer to stay a bit more is RTZ before.

Any experience to share ?
Thanks

[Dyerryjex]

Try waiting until you have astral sight and then doing the rope technique. However, I have had it work maybe two times- and I was in the vibrational state at the time. I have never had it work for me if I wasn't vibrating. Of course, everyone being different, this is probably meaningless.

[Eujacwta]

My problem is that the pulling action doesn't work for me as soon as I can feel my astral hands and see them pulling nothing. Maybe with some hard concentration, I could feel the rope again, but it is a matter of seconds until I get pulled back into my body if I don't end the exit process in a way or another. I feel it kind of frustrating as Robert explains in his treatise that he can see his hands behind his closed eyelids way before the actual exit, which leads me to think that the pulling action can therefore continue even if we see our astral hands pulling nothing, but I just don't understand how...

[Dyerryjex]

Maybe the trick is 'creating' a visual representation of the rope. Go outside, get a rope and really get into it- not only pull yourself up with it, but look at it, feel it's texture-immerse yourself with it.
Years ago, when I was being attacked, I was having trouble visualizing weaponry, and then I found an old sword someone had given to me years ago, and started practicing- the actual physical contact went a long way helping me with that type of 'recreation' (I'm a 'flowers & birdies' type of girl) And of course, never again needed to use it. .

Ps. if you can't find a way to visualize it, something else (that I had forgotten about) is when you have hypnagogics, ask one of them to throw you a rope- I did this and it worked. And he pulled me out from a hypnagogic airplaine with a hypnagogic rope.

[Eujacwta]

I'll try this
I like the hypnagogic thing too
I'll let you know if it helps though as I can vizualise the rope and "feel" it pretty well, which works great, but it's more that I can't vizualise and feel it anymore when my astral sight is active (when I see perfectly as if eyes opened), it's less easy to do this when you really see you environment I mean.

Thanks for your input !

[kabelshik]

This may seem silly, but if you're able, you could try physically hanging a rope above your body where you would be climbing it. That way, you won't have to imagine it when you get your astral sight!

[Eujacwta]

Indeed, and believe it or not I have thought about it But maybe a bit complicated I guess, and most of all it doesn't allow me to use it elsewhere than in my bedroom The thing is that there must be some way to do this as Robert Bruce manages to perform a full exit only with this technic apparently, I just wonder what he does at the end.

[Nashhlkq]

God Evening!

I also feel a bit frustrated with this rope technic. I have tried a while and i have felt the vibrations a few times.
The technic isn't bad bad its hard and sometimes you lose control.
But there's no meaning to compare cause everybody is different, guess i have to practise more and find other technices

[Dyerryjex]

The problem with rope (IMO) is that it is a forced technique (that is, it 'forces' the energy body out) and that's what it makes it so effective- but it's also the reason that it's so misunderstood, and the source of so much frustration. It takes you in your body (when I say 'you' I mean your point of view) and then it forces you up and out in a tactile central way.
The problem is that too many people use it before their energy body is loose, and they get tired of it before their energy body is ready to be forced out. Another problem is that many people use it after they've separated (and don't realize it) putting themselves back in to get back out again. This is easier to fix, because it's a matter of synchronizing the brainwaves with the surroundings, but IMO the first problem is the hardest to correct, because of the element of programming that comes into it.
But when you use it as a last resort, or when you're truly ready, it's unequaled, IMO.