[letmelogin]

This afternoon is the 3rd time I used MAP and had an experience.

I was aware of myself sleeping in my bed and then felt this pool of energy forming in my belly area. There was also this pull of power. I knew that I was going to be out. So I was sucked out or grabbed out of my body and I was in shooting motion going swiftly from my bed upward, even having the awareness of going through the ceiling. This power was so big that I thought I would be in my neighbor two floors up, but at that time, I forgot that I only have neighbor one floor up. So I opened my eye trying to see where I was. I heard the Buddhist chanting going on first and then I saw some monks chanting on a roof balcony in a sunny afternoon. So I got a glimpse of it for probably 10 seconds and was wondering where this place was but this was not my roof balcony, because on my roof there should be nothing. Then I got suck to my body.

But then quickly, this power accumulating its strength again, and boom I got sucked back out again and vaguely seeing a big huge figure grabbed me out. But within three seconds I was back in. I was like that’s it? I didn’t even find out where I was. But then the power gathered its strength again, but this time, I had a sensation in my belly and I was only out half way and then came back again. It is strange the coming back feeling this time. It’s as if I could feel a shadow of belly and legs lying back down in my body.

Then I realized that that’s it with my attempt this afternoon. I found that I was in my gradma’s farm with my brother. Some guy (my brother or my ex) was there next to me when I came back. He wanted to go do something tonight, and was telling me that he wanted to use the bathroom, but my uncle went in first and my brother was like oh too bad. So he came back to talk to me, I was dying to tell him what just happened to me that I just had an OBE, but he got busy with something else and I didn’t get to tell him.

During the OBE, all those times I was aware that I was in my own bed, but when I came back down one last time, I seemed to go on to a dream where I was with that guy in my grandma’s farm, in bed too. So I was there trying to tell him I just had these weird experiences. But then I had to wake up from that dream to realize that I was in my own bed. When I opened my eyes, my legs were still tingling and there were these small fire stars flowing in front of my open eyes.

[letmelogin]

My question to this experience is about the exit. Does anyone experience this shooting motion in exiting?

In another experience I had, I also felt this forming and gathering of energy flow, and at that time, the energy flow out from body or belly through my legs and my feet, and I remembered that I willed myself to a heavenly place walking toward a white light. The other time the energy flowed through my body and then out from my crown. These were all very strong and intense currents.

This time though, I felt it shoot up and going through the ceiling.

These are different from floating experiences other times.

[Dyerryjex]

My question to this experience is about the exit. Does anyone experience this shooting motion in exiting?

Yes. According to mystical theory, differnt chakras mediate different type of projections. Some third-eye projections are fluid, speedy, often involve a tunnel or vortex, and sound like the one you had with the stars at the end. I used to get a lot of those when I got more into it.

In another experience I had, I also felt this forming and gathering of energy flow, and at that time, the energy flow out from body or belly through my legs and my feet, and I remembered that I willed myself to a heavenly place walking toward a white light. The other time the energy flowed through my body and then out from my crown. These were all very strong and intense currents. Although there is no set rule here, and I'm going through my own experience, I'd say this was a projection to the astral planes (as opposed to an RTZ or etheric projection, which happens in your room or your house).


This time though, I felt it shoot up and going through the ceiling. I would characterize this (I do this most of the time) as an RTZ projection in which you shifted to the astral by going through the ceiling and shifting 'dimensions'.

These are different from floating experiences other times. Most separations in which strong buzzing vibrations are felt (in my experience) are heart chakra or earth stone projections. These feel strong, almost mechanical, and are either buzzy in the heart area or heavy and jerky in the belly area. These are usually RTZ projections, from which you can either stay and explore, or do what you did and fly up and phase shift to the astral. A lot of third eye projections throw you straight into the astral via the tunnel or vortexes.
If you do this long enough you'll have all of the above and more.

[letmelogin]

Thank you CFT! Is the current or the energy flow the main difference between a common dream and the traveling to the astral plane? If we miss the exit, we will certainly thought we were just having a dream, but in fact, we might just have had an astral travel?

[inhitoemits]

That's interesting - I recently had a dream that I was in some train, and that I climbed up to the next level of the train only to find that I was still on the same train, but in the future. I kept climbing up, going farther and farther into the future (with appropriate sci-fi changes ) until there were no more levels to climb on the train. Not long after that, a "regulator" came up to me and this guy who was sitting next to me and asked us to get off the train (I guess he knew we didn't belong?). What happened then was that the train sort of began to disintegrate and everything became a weird vortex and I think I moved on to another phase of my dreams (that night I had a more or less linear progression of dreams, though the transition in-between was practically nonexistent).

It was probably just a dream, but the going up into the future thing was kind of interesting...

Andy

[Dyerryjex]

Thank you CFT! Is the current or the energy flow the main difference between a common dream and the traveling to the astral plane? If we miss the exit, we will certainly thought we were just having a dream, but in fact, we might just have had an astral travel?

First of all, the answer depends on who you ask.
But my opinion is that all dreams are a type of astral projection, to a 'personal' space in the astral, where you receive direct symbolic messages from the subconscious and/or process information you are receiving from all modes of being.
I personally classify an OBE the experience of leaving your body or of being out of your body, whether it's to the astral proper or the 'RTZ'- As long as there is conscious knowledge of being there.
I classify a conscious projection the act of consciously leaving the body, whether you exit to the RTZ (which would be an OBE) or merge with an astral environment (phasing)(or get sucked into a vortex, etc.)
So for example if you dream (nonlucidly) something precognitive, I'll call it a dream, even if I consider it to be a projection into the future. Just because of how you experienced it.

Some metaphysicians want to divorce the dream from the OBE by declaring one a brainstate and the other a metaphysical phenomenon, but I think that is just an attempt to preserve the boundaries of what they consider sanity, by paying homage to theories that they are starting to divorce, to keep it amicable.

[Dyerryjex]

Hi, CTF:

I have only attempted to project using the CDs for the past two weekends, not duing the week, because I want to get enough sleep for work.

One question I have is that during the attempt, I keep getting this jerking motion, especially for my neck and head. It could go back and forth, or twitch in and out. Is this the motion you spoke about "the forward moverment", which you can attempt to jump out of the physical body?

No, the movement has nothing to do with your physical body, it is a perceptual sensation of movement that is sometimes accompanied by visuals, as if the environment behind your closed eyes is moving towards you or away from you. You can 'put yourself' in this environment and let it take you out, as if you already were there.

Jerking motions and muscle twitches are normal parts of going to sleep (have you ever seen someone going to sleep? They twitch- the thing is that because you are working with 'staying aware through the process of having your body go to sleep' you become aware of this.
Energy work should help with some of the twitching, and eventually you won't notice it any more.


I also found that the more I imagine I am falling, the more the vibrations. But sometimes I fell asleep soon after and didn't go on to project. I have never consciously roll out or move out of my body. They mainly happened on its own. Before I knew it, I am already floating or out. Sounds like you need more energy. Are you doing energy work?

[letmelogin]

Jerking motions and muscle twitches are normal parts of going to sleep (have you ever seen someone going to sleep? They twitch- the thing is that because you are working with 'staying aware through the process of having your body go to sleep' you become aware of this.

Sounds like you need more energy. Are you doing energy work?

Hi, CF:

Thank you!

Really? But these jerking and twitching last for like an hour, at the frequency of maybe two three times a second. If I pay attention to them, they get more intense and stronger. Sometimes they even turned into more subtle motion like vibrations. Sometimes the motion can be big and distracting, almost screw up the total body stillness I try to maintain. I did try to merge with that vibration too, but I think I am too awake to project.

Last night while trying, the muscle on my face and my head felt like being sucked upward,accompanied with a rush of energy that made my neck and my head all heated up. I felt like there was a giant vacuum machine sucking me. The muscle on my face was all twisted up and tensed up. It lasted for maybe 20 seconds and then gradually subside. I have never experienced anything like that. Some parts of my body were shuddering.

I did chakra work, but didn't do the CD 4. Every time I did CD 4, the heart racing is too much for me.

[Dyerryjex]

Well, are you doing any sponging? (The energy ball thing on the legs and arms) I can think of at least two possibilities: Blockages in your energy body that are causing more-than normal twitching, and vibrations that you are interpreting as twitches, as in the energy body is doing all the bouncing/expanding/other interesting stuff and you are interpreting it as your body doing it. One sure way to test this is to make sure you've been in trance for long enough (if this is lasting an hour, then 45 minutes should be enough) and are having the shifty sensations, get up as you would physically, and see if you float up. If you float you're out, and the twitching was your e-body resonating. If these are actual body movements then you should try doing the exercises without the binaural beats, and see if there is a difference. If you still twitch even without the binaurals, then you need to go back to whole-body energy work (tertiaries and secondaries) and not do any chakra work until you have cleared some blockages (I'd say at least a week.)

[letmelogin]

Hi,

I haven't been doing energy work or listening to the CDs for a week. Last night when I did energy work without the CD, I had a very strange experience.

As I finished the bouncing and sponging of the energy. I laid very still and kept saying to myself "no feedback" meaning I don't expect any feedback from my body, and that I wanted to go deeper to the stillness. Slowly, my lower jaw started to vibrate, and then it got pulled in all directions, resulting in my upper teeth and the lower ones hitting each other rapidly, almost like the motions when trembling, but the force can range from light to stronger. After a while I would force myself to get my jaws back in place. Then the muscle on my face got pulled in all different directions. I could be showing my teeth one minute, and face muscles all twisted up the next. Sometimes my lower jaw got pulled further ahead than my upper jaw. The force can be strong that I worry about breaking my jaw. My face must look like something you see in horror movies. A few times, both my lips went upward like the pig face so tightly. hahaha. I kept thinking whether or not I was possessed. But I was more intrigued than scared. A few times, I felt like I was about to be sucked away by a giant vaccuming machine near my head. My facial muscle is pull so tightly to one direction that my upper back actually arch up involuntarily.

I also felt something got loose from my body. Whenever I thought about another place (William Buhlman's way), the force of the motion would get intense and strong as a response.

So all these motions repeated themselves for probably two hours. Gradually I got exhausted and drifted to sleep near day break. Before I fell asleep, there were still the left over motions, so did this morning on the way to work.

Is it blockage that caused all these craziness? How can I direct these energy for use to project?

Thank you!

[inhitoemits]

Slowly, my lower jaw started to vibrate, and then it got pulled in all directions, resulting in my upper teeth and the lower ones hitting each other rapidly, almost like the motions when trembling, but the force can range from light to stronger. After a while I would force myself to get my jaws back in place. Then the muscle on my face got pulled in all different directions. I could be showing my teeth one minute, and face muscles all twisted up the next. Sometimes my lower jaw got pulled further ahead than my upper jaw. The force can be strong that I worry about breaking my jaw. My face must look like something you see in horror movies. A few times, both my lips went upward like the pig face so tightly. hahaha. I kept thinking whether or not I was possessed. But I was more intrigued than scared. A few times, I felt like I was about to be sucked away by a giant vaccuming machine near my head. My facial muscle is pull so tightly to one direction that my upper back actually arch up involuntarily.

This sounds very similar to what I experienced a few weeks back - see viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12762&hilit=stretching+muscles for details. I was trying to project / do energy work, when all of a sudden I ended up in a muscle stretching routine over which I had no direct control (though I knew I could have stopped it at any time if I had wanted to). I was relaxed and intrigued at the time, so it wasn't violent pulling / stretching, but I did get a full range of stretching (legs, arms, back, facial muscles, tongue, etc. - many of the muscles I didn't even know I had).

I haven't experienced this since then, but I think it may be related to energy work / OBE somehow.

Andy

[letmelogin]

This sounds very similar to what I experienced a few weeks back - see viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12762&hilit=stretching+muscles for details. I was trying to project / do energy work, when all of a sudden I ended up in a muscle stretching routine over which I had no direct control (though I knew I could have stopped it at any time if I had wanted to). I was relaxed and intrigued at the time, so it wasn't violent pulling / stretching, but I did get a full range of stretching (legs, arms, back, facial muscles, tongue, etc. - many of the muscles I didn't even know I had).

I haven't experienced this since then, but I think it may be related to energy work / OBE somehow.

Andy

Thank you Andy!

I think what impressed me was the force that' doing all these sucking, pulling, moving. It really was like a powerful vacuuming tube sucking. I had this these past week, but they were not as dramatic as last night.

Probably at that time I was still quite awake, which prevented my energy body to take atvantage of that hugh sucking power to go into the tube or vortex.

[inhitoemits]

Probably at that time I was still quite awake, which prevented my energy body to take atvantage of that hugh sucking power to go into the tube or vortex.

I have that same problem - I have trouble getting into trance, or at least being aware of it when I get there. But I'm sure in time I'll get a feel for it and eventually project consciously (though I have some work ahead of me ). Right now I'm not focusing much on OBE; instead, I'm working on dream recall and NEW to develop my energy body.

Andy