[paratayoma]

as i read through some of the posts, i see that during a projection or OBE, it is possible to openly communicate with another projector...what about those that are neither projecting, nor asleep? can a projector openly communicate with someone who is still awake or totally conscious?

example: my neighbor never sleeps. plays video games all night long. stero surround thumps my walls. we never have gotten along so personally addressing isn't an option. to avoid undo confrontaion, if i were to project to him and ask him to turn the sound down...would, or could, he hear me? (situation is hypothetical...my real neighbor is actually a very nice guy with a lovely wife and a newborn baby girl. this hypothetical is about the ability to communicate with someone who is fully awake.)

[JulieSmithdccd]

can a projector openly communicate with someone who is still awake or totally conscious? According to Robert Monroe... yes and no. He reports projections where he did encounter and communicate with people who were awake in the physical world, and got a response, even though the physical person gave no indication of being aware of his presence. What seemed to be happening was that he was communicating with their subconscious, while their conscious mind had no awareness of it (thus the person wouldn't remember it later). IIRC when he would ask time-related questions, he would get a confused response, which would make sense as the subconscious doesn't process linear time. Its been a while since I read those books though, so I don't actually remember whether the idea about the subconscious was Monroe's explanation or my own conclusion based on what he reported, lol... so take that for what it's worth.

I'm pretty sure that's the only place I've seen that one answered; maybe one of our regular projectors here has some personal experience to share.

[Dyerryjex]

I've communicated with people's projected doubles when they were awake and not aware of it. I do not distinguish between someone being projected and not being projected. I believe that by thinking about something other than ourselves, we project unconsciously. For example, right now I'm writing this on the computer and thinking that those involved in this conversation are not in the same general area as I am. I am unwittingly (or wittingly, though not perceptively) projecting myself to where 'you' are, even if it is a nonlocal state, and our projected doubles are interacting. We, (as in you and I) may not consciously participate except for typing into the computer, but our projected doubles are engaged in some sort of 'higher self interaction' right now. Or maybe not now, as time may work differently in the way they interact.
So the thing isn't whether the double is consciously projected, but whether it's communicating in such a way as to 'get to' the physical brain and be perceived in some way.
Back to my answer: I've done it, and they report just 'all of a sudden thinking about me' just for a second, a fleeting thought.

[gopsbousperie]

You know CF that makes a lot of sense. Like when I’m reading through threads and posting on this forum there are certain vibes I get from each person on here. Mostly good ones for the most part

[paratayoma]

thanks palehorse and cft.

this does raise a question or two in my mind...
once i complete a successful projection, i plan on testing my theories.....
i have friends in the paranormal investigation field...it makes me wonder if some reports of haunting activity may just be a projector trying to communicate with a conscious individual....

once i complete a couple successful projections, i'll have them set up an evp session to see if the voice they record is mine.

[JulieSmithdccd]

this does raise a question or two in my mind...
once i complete a successful projection, i plan on testing my theories.....
i have friends in the paranormal investigation field...it makes me wonder if some reports of haunting activity may just be a projector trying to communicate with a conscious individual....

once i complete a couple successful projections, i'll have them set up an evp session to see if the voice they record is mine.

Yep, as far as theories go, there ain't no substitute for personal experience.

That's an awesome idea about the EVP session. I hope you go through with it and then come back and tell us how it turned out. *intrigued*

[Dyerryjex]

thanks palehorse and cft.

this does raise a question or two in my mind...
once i complete a successful projection, i plan on testing my theories.....
i have friends in the paranormal investigation field...it makes me wonder if some reports of haunting activity may just be a projector trying to communicate with a conscious individual....

once i complete a couple successful projections, i'll have them set up an evp session to see if the voice they record is mine.

Something that has been on my mind is something I've seen in Ghost Hunters- they use an emf meter or some other type of field detecting device that lights up every time the field gets disrupted (they use it to detect entities in the general vicinity of the device.)
I wonder if this can be adapted to this pursuit? For example, on the moment of exit there should be an 'expansion effect' (provided this is measurable as emf, of course) that could be possibly measured- I'm thinking the prospective projector could have the object close enough to provide a baseline measurement, and any emf (or thermal, depending on the equipment) fluctuation should be duly noted)- that's one measurement that would be interesting to obtain- of course, this presupposes a lot- that this energy can be measured, that the projector succeeds at the attempt, and other variables.
Sounds like a group with the necessary (and varied) equipment could do these, now that technology continues to provide us with so much sophisticated measuring devices.
And having a consistently achieving projector would be nice too.