[electmobile]

I've had numerous experiences with OBEs, however, recently I've been experiencing something quite different. Instead of feeling my own etheric/subtle body rise out of my physical one, when I relax my body before sleep, sometimes I feel someone else's etheric/astral body rise out of me, while my consciousness remains in my physical body. It feels very much like OBE, but the only difference is that my awareness is in my physical body and I observe/feel someone else's ethereal body or energy (whatever it is) rise out of me.

The day before this experience I finished reading James Van Praag's book "Ghosts among us" and one of the things James talked about is spirit possession by earthbound spirits that need to be sent to the white light to cross over. When I felt the energy/etheric body rise out of me, I remembered the aforementioned statement James made in the book and decided to try the approach of guiding whatever earthbound spirit may be around me to the light. I mentally prayed for the spirit to cross over and basically said that they are dead and need to go to the white light where they will be with God and be safe. I kept on repeating this prayer of sorts in my mind, and as I did, I kept feeling one spirit/etheric body gradually rise out of me and detach from me after the other...it felt like there were around 5.

A few times when the energy left my body, I felt it settle next to me, behind my back - it was radiating a lot of warmth and I could feel its form's outline pressed to my back. At one point I felt my body become rigid and my legs become numb and cold...and at other times when the energy would leave me, my limbs felt much lighter and relaxed. I kept feeling my legs bend each time the energy would leave me. This was a very strange and a somewhat frightening experience. I'm a bit wary of going to sleep tonight at the thought of it occuring again. Anyway, I'd love to hear some feedback as to what this may have been, if I need to do something about it, and if any of you experienced anything like this. Thanks a lot.

[sbrpkkl]

I've had numerous experiences with OBEs, however, recently I've been experiencing something quite different. Instead of feeling my own etheric/subtle body rise out of my physical one, when I relax my body before sleep, sometimes I feel someone else's etheric/astral body rise out of me, while my consciousness remains in my physical body. It feels very much like OBE, but the only difference is that my awareness is in my physical body and I observe/feel someone else's ethereal body or energy (whatever it is) rise out of me.

That's normal and happens when you recall only the physical body's experience. Perceiving an energy body that is your own but not downloading the memory from it it can feel strange, alien and "not like you". Robert Bruce's mindsplit theory explains it very well, I'd say. Are you familiar with it?

When you relax enough, the etheric body's connection to your body gets looser and it drifts around. When your mind is firmly unto the physical body, for whatever reason, this strong memory is the only downloaded perception into your brain.

Robert Monroe reports similar experiences IIRC.

I once observed the reentry of my astral body into my physical body from a perspective of the physical body. I thought a frightening presence had entered the room. I was afraid. It entered me. But from mixed up mindsplit memories I could actually find out what happened and that another version of me remerged with me, because I had some minimal parallel memories of it. If I lacked those, the experience would have been just plain scary and seemed like an attack. In fact it was no such thing at all. We just simply not always recall the subtler bodies' memories.

Take good care,
Oliver

[electmobile]

Hello Oliver,

Thank you very much for your response - it is very helpful. I was not aware of the mind split theory, so I naturally assumed that the energy I felt was not my own. I'm definitely going to read up more on mind split now to better understand my experience. I'm no longer scared to go to sleep as a result of what happened - thank you for that. I appreciate it.

[sbrpkkl]

You're welcome.

Here's some excerpts from AD-Pedia, which you can find as a sub-forum on the top of the forum index page:

Dweller type of experience- When you have separated but haven't shifted consciousness yet, and you are sensing with your physical body, you will perceive your energy body, interpret it as a threat, feel fear, and it will respond to your fear by becoming what you're afraid of. It can be anything from a 'monster', 'intruder' or whatever else you've thought about that can cause fear. This is also known as "Old Hag", and nowadays "Alien Visitation". For some mysterious reason that I've never figured out, a lot of these dwellers have glowy red eyes. Why? Maybe some kind of evolutionary thing (fear of nocturnal animals) archetypal in nature. But, this is just a guess.
ps. I'm not saying that negs can't be the cause of the last one- but the Dweller explanation is the most likely, because of the next thing:
The way to get rid of a 'Dweller on the Threshold" is to get away from your physical body. I know it's hard, feeling vulnerable like that, but if you do it and it doesn't follow, you know that it was the feedback mechanism causing this.

(emphasis by me, read more here: http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?t=7304)

and you can download Robert's "Treatise on Astral Projection" with more info about the Mind Split Effect here as a PDF file: http://www.astraldynamics.com/download/ ... 011-07.pdf

The link for an AD tutorial about the mind split on Robert's website sadly does not work at the moment, the site is "under construction".

Take good care,
Oliver

[pissmanvd]

Definitely a mind-split thing going on here...

[Espacamlisa]

Like the others said often you can come out of your body while your still fully awake but remain only concious of your phisical.

Grounding your self is the best way to stop it from happening

[electmobile]

Grounding your self is the best way to stop it from happening

Thank you for the advice.

[etdgxcnc]

Myst, I would concur with those who feel that this was a mindsplit. It's a fascinating theory and RB covers it in depth in "Astral Dynamics."
I had the reverse experience, where as my physical body came towards consciousness, I felt an etheric invisible presence leap fully into me. It wasn't terrifying because it was in full daylight, but it was very visceral and unpleasant and my first thought was "eep! Something possessed me!" That kind of thinking almost ensured that I'd only retain the physical body's memories of the event, but my feeling is that my astral self was waiting impatiently outside my body for it to wake up enough for reintegration, and when it saw its chance, it DIVED IN. There was a mighty rushing feeling as reintegration occurred around the heart / throat area. I think it helps to understand what this phenom is from a rational perspective, thus reducing fear and increasing the possibility that the astral side of things will be remembered.

[Overlord]

Hello,

Try to transfer your consciousness into the etheric body. Sometimes it will work. What happens then is that you can, kind of, lift part of your etheric body out of, but, still attached to your physical body. You can even experiance the consciousness of your physical and etheric bodies at the same time. (This is also true of your astral body(ies), i.e. multiple consciousnesses)

Your etheric body can see and hear all around at once and you may even get a glance of your physical body sleeping.
Sometimes I can't project, but my etheric body becomes active. When this happens, I just enjoy knowing that my etheric body can see (spherically) and experiment with the things my etheric body can do.

Grant