[Dr. Shon Thomson]

okay so i posted up my experiences in my original greeting and since then i have had a few more debateable ones..they werent like before in which i feel my entire astral body at once which was just amazing. these ones are different and entirely debatable by me. you see i have been meditating the same way since that experience of feeling my astral body and its been working quite well, just not with the same thing. This time i am getting individual body parts moving in very deep meditation. Mind you however, im not sure if this is physical or astral. I'll be deeply meditating and i have meditated twice since my first experience. The first time i shook my head back and forth, the second time i waved my right arm into the air, circled it, then hit it back down. Now, im extremely deeply entrance, im thinking consciously, and i was even able to consciously induce shaking my head a second time, but being in that deep trance i dont know if it was physical or astral. it felt absolutely entirely realistic, and it even made sound as it hit the bed, but it happens spontaneously, it would basically be the worst spasms of my life and i have no medical condition which suggests that i could have entirely random spasms like that. And it feels entirely different, this could mean 2 things, its astral and thus it feels different, or im so deeply entranced the physical feels different. So like last time i just wanted to hear some feedback as to what you think that was, whether astral or physical, and if astral then why. I have some theories naturally, im thinking if it was astral then it was my streching my astral muscles seeing as after each meditation the body part that moves feels very strange, my head just feels entirely different since the shaking and my arm feels very warm right now, warmer than the left, i just meditated maybe like 30 minutes ago and it just happened though. Basically i just wanna know if this sounds like something commonly occuring, because theres really no proof towards the former or latter. If nobody has heard of anything like this im thinking im just going to have to set up a camera on myself and try to induce it again, but thatd be a lot of work as...i dont have a camera. But thank you again in answering my last question and i hope im not being too much of a pain asking them ..if i am tell me now i guarantee theres going to be many moree to come. Thank you all, and please post any reasponses, criticism, experiences, what have you

[Nabeqiv]

I'm no master but your experiences remind me of my early ones.

When I started learning NEW I remember the strongest energy sensations I felt were in my hands. At times i felt like my fingers in one or both hands were slowly moving in various directions, as if being pulled by a magnet-like force. I wasn't sure what it was, so one time when it happened I moved my hand up with it slowly and at the time thought it might be my astral hand I was moving. Afterward I looked and it was just my physical hand that had moved. However, I'm convinced now that the original sensations were some part of my energy body.

Another experience happened when I was learning NEW. I woke up in the middle of the night and heard a low pitched roar, and I felt my head tilted upwards at an angle to the rest of my body, and it slowly but uncontrollably moved back down to its position on the pillow. During this whole episode I was totally paralyzed. At the time I thought it was a hallucination, but now having had almost 50 conscious projections I suspect that this experience was a projection that I interrupted by trying to move which led to a fearful reaction.

The similarities between our experiences is unmistakable, but I can't determine the nature of yours. It's clear though that they may involve your astral body.

[Dr. Shon Thomson]

yes i especially feel similar to the second head tilting one, they are quite similar though mine tend to be very fast rather than slow pulls. not jolted fast more smooth swift movements. but they definitely do sound the same and i sure hope that my end result is the same as yours(more than 50 conscious projections) lol. i sure hope it was dealing with my astral body its just very difficult to tell and i dont know the nature of it either like you said.

[Nabeqiv]

Did this start happening spontaneously during your meditations or are you also practicing some kind of energy work?

Shortly after that second experience I described I had my first projection by returning to sleep for the second time of the night on my back, after doing some energy work. I woke up feeling intense vibrations and then used the rope method, which led to a very intense but successful exit. My point is you may be very close to a projection, so keep trying.

[Dr. Shon Thomson]

oh im gonna keep trying dont you worry about that hahaha, i just got another one like that today, except today i like..saw myself i guess, and then i smiled...i guess astrally..and then i got excited because i thought i was doing it so i kinda pooped back out..but i was still inside my body..and its kinda spontaneous, its like my meditation is focused around eventually getting an OBE but i try my best to forget thats my goal because the more i think about it the less remarkable every experience is, if i just meditate for the sake of meditation, just hoping for an OBE, its much better