[STYWOMBORGOSY]

I want to ask you experienced and seasoned obe travelers out there a question.
Have your astral traveling changed your beliefs or enchanced it.

It would be interested to hear if ateist have turned into believers or those attached to a religion to alter their faith.
I am myself still a seeker

/Magic

[Dyerryjex]

No diff. for me, but I've been OBEing since I was a child.

[no02rSx2]

Not changed so much as refined.

I did come to see that 'God' is not a singular description but a term used to describe many different things/beings.

[slight edit for wording]

[leyliana]

I am not a experienced traveller, magic, so I don't know if my post will count, but I suppose I have always had a feeling from being small child that dreams were real. Possibly because I had vivid ones. I used to believe when i was little, after dreaming very vividly, that when we die, we go someplace like a dreamland for a while, and that we don't really die at all, just come out of our body.( Plus I had a brother who was studying psychology and philosophy at uni, so he helped me question things)... Sounds a little wierd coming from a 8 year old child, but I had no one to rant any religion down my throat luckily, so I managed to use my own conceptions created out of thin air, with the help of my Bro,which all came from the dream world, sleep paralysis and shared dreams, telepathic connections amongst other things. It's only lately, after learning of the true meaning of the term 'astral worlds', that I managed to figure out that their was a hint of magic behind my thoughts. As for changing my beliefs, well I only had experiences without much more thought on the matter, but lately half the stuff I've witnessed in the other worlds have been pretty mind boggling.
Hope this helps.

[pissmanvd]

Personally, I haven't had many 'jaunts' out of body...
I don't think my few times out have 'changed' my beliefs as much as provided much reinforcement.
I know have a more firm belief in what awaits me after I pass on... so it gives me a sense of peace and fulfillment.

[CiccoineFed]

It's made me believe in spirits, therefore in God, and therefore probably The Bible.

Seriously.

It's hard to have a materialist view only when you know something like astral travel takes place.

[pissmanvd]

It's made me believe in spirits, therefore in God, and therefore probably The Bible.

Seriously.

It's hard to have a materialist view only when you know something like astral travel takes place.

Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm just curious... because I fully believe in spirits as well, but I have absolutely no belief in a god or higher power of any kind (I believe that we are the higher power).
I guess my question is how do you link the existence of spirits with that of a god?

Hmmm... this might be a question better asked somewhere else though...

[Dyerryjex]

Originally Posted by RyanParis It's made me believe in spirits, therefore in God, and therefore probably The Bible.

Seriously.

It's hard to have a materialist view only when you know something like astral travel takes place.

Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm just curious... because I fully believe in spirits as well, but I have absolutely no belief in a god or higher power of any kind (I believe that we are the higher power).
I guess my question is how do you link the existence of spirits with that of a god?

Hmmm... this might be a question better asked somewhere else though... If it turns into theology it might go better in 'Expanding Consciousness'. We don't have a religion forum for a reason.

[CiccoineFed]

how do you link the existence of spirits with that of a god?

In The Bible, God is said to be a Spirit.

[Dyerryjex]

Originally Posted by Xanth how do you link the existence of spirits with that of a god?

In The Bible, God is said to be a Spirit. Ryan, this logic works if someone believes in god and not in spirits.
But if a person doesn't believe in God and does believe in spirits, what the Bible says won't really have an impact on their beliefs.

[pissmanvd]

Originally Posted by RyanParis Originally Posted by Xanth how do you link the existence of spirits with that of a god?

In The Bible, God is said to be a Spirit. Ryan, this logic works if someone believes in god and not in spirits.
But if a person doesn't believe in God and does believe in spirits, what the Bible says won't really have an impact on their beliefs. My apologies CF... since this is starting to take a religious tone (I have to admit, I half expected it was going to) I'll just agree with this post of yours and I won't bother the situation any further.

In retrospec, I probably shouldn't have posed the question. XD

[Dyerryjex]

It's a valid question and it doesn't have to turn into a religious debate IMO- I can take for example the question and answer it advocating for the existence of God, and I don't think it would have to become the type of discussion that breaks any rules (you know, because my scriptures say so, or my religion is better than yours).
For example,if it was me, I'd say that the existence of spirits, provided I'm sure that's what they are demonstrates that there is an afterlife, and an afterlife gives the idea that eternal existence is possible (I won't say it proves it, because it does'nt, but this is hypothetical) and the idea of infinte existence is a very close definition to some people's idea of God.
So i do think the question can be answered without proselytizing or insulting any different religious viewpoint. (And by different, I mean different to anyone else's, not unorthodox).
See?