[samanthalueus]

Hi all,
Hope im in the right place for this post. When a boy, i would get most nights for a period of a few weeks I think; a low distant tone inside my head when going to sleep. I would find myself listening to it. It would get progressively louder over a period of about a minute or less untill it was so mind blowingly loud i would get scared and rouse myself from dropping off to sleep. If I focus (35 years later) the noise is still there but it doesnt get any louder. It is something i have never forgotten and since buying Astral Dynamics wondered if the noise might be a result of something. Can anyone shed some light on this experience please?

[Dyerryjex]

Hi YB. It sounds like you're describing Astral Noise, and it's described in the AD Pedia under a number of subitems, like 'early RTZ experiences' or simply 'Noise' in the alpha section.
I have a link to it in my sig.

[samanthalueus]

Thanks CFT,
Im wondering what might happen if I focus on the noise for any length of time - if it would get louder eventualy. I suppose to do it will answer that question. Do you know why it would get so loud though. If the noise were a physical sound i feel confident it would damage the ears.

[Dyerryjex]

I actually use this as a focus for meditation, and have found the following:
Sometimes the sound has turned into music, that I listen to while I look at something, be it an astral landscape or hypnagogic imagery. Sometimes the music has stayed with me throughout the experience and I have actually come out of it actually listening to the music, and wishing I could recall it any time I chose, because it's usually 'heavenly', when it happens.
Sometimes, as I go deeper into trance it turns into voices. This is not to be feared- it is not an indication of schizophrenia, as voice-hearers hear them at non-trance times.
Most often it goes away as soon as I start to detach from the physical body (have an OBE into the RTZ) so it's also a good indicator of trance, at least at first.
After some time of meditating and becoming aware of it, it stops being a good indicator of OBE readiness, as it starts to occur in light trance.

[samanthalueus]

Its interesting what you say about hearing music. I remember (again as a boy) on long car journeys I would lay down in the back of the car and focus on music. After a while of focus I could actualy hear the music in my head. This is a very distant memory; strange how i should recall it now. I will try meditation on the noise and see what happens. Are you saying the noise indicates that the mind is in the right state for OBE? - thanks CFT.

[Dyerryjex]

Are you saying the noise indicates that the mind is in the right state for OBE? - At first, yes- it tells you you're in trance, but as you gain experience, it starts to happen earlier in the trance, so then you have to give yourself more time later on.
thanks CFT. You're welcome.

[samanthalueus]

Thanks CFT,
Not sure how to cut and paste. Your last comment; could you explain a little further please?

Also, i used the noise as focus for meditation. After a short time - to my supprise it began to move! i sat there for about a minute with it literally buzzing around my head. There was a distinct pattern decernable from its movement.

Now i am a realist. This is most bizzar. It was so real! After a short time i lost concentration and it went. Can you shed any light on this please?

[v74ClzKY]

Not sure how to cut and paste.

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Sorry if this is off topic (I'm just trying to help, and, uh, I used to be a support tech, and old habits die hard )

[Dyerryjex]

Can you shed any light on this please?

I'm not sure what the question is, but it seems you went deeper into trance and perhaps went into the hypnagogic state.

[samanthalueus]

Yes, i agree. i have repeated the meditation since last post. This time the noise remained in my head. I have noted the more focused upon the noise; the deeper the meditation. i believe i understand the basics of the hypnogogic (but can i spell it ha) and believe i was in that state when fully focused on the noise.
Ive been experimenting with the hypnogogic (just to make sure ive got it right cos im not sure - im talking about the state just before sleep when we get flashes and imagery. If woken we remember something has been seen but not necessarily what it was). i believe it is possible with practice to move the waking consciousness into this area of the mind and observe the flashes and imagery from an "objective" point of view in that "you know its not you" because what is seen looks and feels as if generated somewhere else. i have had a little success with this; but require more to be certain. Success with viewing imagery (all be it a moment only). i also believe the hypnogogic state could be used as a platform from which a journey might be possible. But this only when the waking consciousness has been trained to enter this area of the mind easily.
My reasoning for this theory of a platform in the hypnogogic comes from my experience as a medium. In meditation (the focus being a better link with the spirit world) i would at times loose focus and begin to drift in and out of the hypnogogic. My spirit guide would show me images as powerful flashes (obviously so i would remember them when fully awake) and they would mean something to me.

My theory is that it might be possible to step through the same door that the spirit guide steps through to show a medium images.

Your thoughts on my comments would be most welcome - thankyou for your time.

[Dyerryjex]

Yep, that's how phasing works. We consider two [main] ways of having an OBE, the traditional 'getting out of your body' when ready (which uses either vibrations or any other sign of deep trance to indicate it's time to exit) and phasing (aka Astral phasing) which is observing the hypnagogic state and using it as a platform for merging directly into an astral plane.
I recently spoke to a medium and yes, he uses the same method to achieve clairvoyance & communicate with his helpers.
As to what 'is not you', that's a little trickier- some metaphysicians consider the universe to be God in expression, and each one of us the same, therefore nothing is really 'not you'- but I know what you mean.
I always say- the form of your perception is not as important as the function. So you and I can go to a teaching temple and see different things (I seem to see universities and sometimes ashrams) or go to the Akashic records and see a room full of computers while I'll see an old-fashioned library, for example. But the function of the environment will be the same.
So whether the environment is self created (that is, of psychological importance vs. collective information) really depends on how well you know yourself and recognize your own mental/emotional states.

[samanthalueus]

Things have suddenly got a lot deeper. So its possible to exit the body into the astral planes via the hypnogogic; and what i am discovering is already recognised as phasing. This is most interesting. Thankyou CFT.

[samanthalueus]

The web doesnt seem to have anything on the proccess of phasing and what to expect when practicing it - not that i could find. Is there any info about phasing on here?

[Dyerryjex]

Yes, there's a whole stickied thread on it in the OBE forum and in the Monroe subforum. And in the AD Pedia.

[rhybrisee]

Oh this has just brought back my memory of 'strange noises' that i had has a little girl too Just before sleep or upon waking, in a kind of semi conscious state, they wern't voices, but I remember it being kind of linked to the ocean somehow(which is linked to the unconscious as i have found out recently). they were scary because I couldn't manage to get them out of my head. sort of like low rumbling sounds.that got louder and louder. I will check out the links thanks.