[MikeGotTalentz]

L.O.L. yes i do like this stuff.

Athelstone glad you've joined this thread that doesn't really relate to the topic anymore but has been progressive in a kinda complex manner because we've all got a million things to add.
anyway your theory on being able to control the other body, i've thought about before so it's not completely new to me, actually even before i knew about astral projection i've studied this kind of stuff before, actually it runs in a sub-line of my family, i'll take a look at those video links later. nice drawing btw
You say mankind's greatest illusion is limitations, this is all theory, but i also believe in it. But i think what we've discussing is how society/greater purposely places limitations on itself as means of control, maybe someone greedy is doing it who knows. I mean for most of us, grow up spending 23-26 years of our life learning how to sit in a chair for hours doing what we're told, JUST to secure a future. What happened to the freedom of youth, is it too destructive for youths to be running wild chasing after dreams?
and yes maybe i am alittle dissatisfied with life but thats the truth (or not) taht i've come to realise. But i can assure you tahts not why i'm am attempting to AP, Rather i want to AP as an achievement as well as to understand more of this world, think of it as a stepping stone.

Okay about the evil spirit thing, Rocky's got the point of being aware is the only defence we have, of course negative thinking is also bad but those are two different things. Just because a person sees nothing but darkness in his world does not mean he himself is filled with darkness. Personally i don't believe in good/evil, everyone has his/her reasons, if there is anything that comes close to evil, that is to impose suffering on another being, which we all do. Now if i was to say suffering was necessary to learn then suffering itself is not evil, as they say "Flatterers look like friends, as wolves like dogs". If you care about someone you wouldn't want them to suffer, i myself cannot, but at the sametime without it they cannot learn. So? when both sides are important you'll say that all you need is a balance of it.

well, i'll agree to people believing what they want to believe, it is hard for people to be open in their beliefs, people are not ready to accept the truth if it coincides with their own. I don't think people should blindly follow their beliefs, but i'm sure everyone has their own personal beliefs(i do hope so). But it is much easier to keep things under control when everybody believes in the samething, regardless of whether or not they understand it, which is why society attempts to turn people into sheeps, because sheeps are harmless.

unconditional love mmmmmm i like that, knowing and understanding are two different things.

[dwestemesse]

Listen. Astral projection works by catching the part of yourself that exits the body periodically. Daoists call this the "Hun". Normal people can only stabilize their consciousness in this reality for a limited period of time. That's why we need to sleep, so our "Hun" can check out of this reality, into the so-called Astral. The art of astral projection is merely the art of catching the Hun as it regularly goes out, and then becoming aware of it as this process occurs.


How does that correlate to thoase who can AP at any time and not just at periods when the hun happens to exit? Unless you're suggesting those folk have their hun stabilized.

[MikeGotTalentz]

Well i did say if there was evil it would be to cause suffering.
Now you say that you didn't staple the kitten's tail because your spirit had stop you from doing it, if it is your spirit then theres nothing i can say. But if it is your morals/ego, then that is a subject of your beliefs. If a person takes the life of another person, automantically you'd think he/she is a murderer and is a bad person. But if i said that person killed another in order to protect 10 other people, then that would be okay. So say there is another person who killed 10 people just because he/she believed it was right, had he/she been misled by evil? is it his/her fault. So it is evil's fault? But this 'evil' has the belief that everything should be destroyed. Can someone be judged evil for what they believe in? or is it everything that opposes God/life/existence is evil?

Evil is intention to cause pain as means of pleasure, that does not happen much except in people who despise life, that is they're hurt by seeing life, and it pleases them to be able to get rid of it. Hate is the feeling you get from something that annoys or hurts you. If you hate something, it is natural that you want to get rid of it. I believe it is justified.
As i've said before, and as you've said yourself, how vulnerable we are to manipulation is limitless.

Did you know that it is encoded within our DNA to perserve our own species? that is why it is genetically harder for a human to kill another human than it is for humans to kill any other animal.
I know this sounds harsh but my respect for life has nothing to do with good or evil, this is more about condemnation and judgement.

[Keyclenef]

Ok, I'm going to call for a temporary truce here.
I agree that everyone has their own point of view, and that to an extent the 'fairness or unfairness of how things are set up' are somehow relevant to this post, but I want to say that everyone stated their point of view on this and the continuation of this argument is of no use to anyone.
Rocky, I've noticed that in most threads you participate in, you seem to introduce the 'conspiracy theory' theme in, whether it is relevant or not. If this pattern is true, then this is considered proselytizing and is against the rules of this forum. Please be advised you are allowed to post your view of how life is, but not if it isn't to the point of the thread. So if it's not relevant, don't introduce it.
You may believe that we 'need to be warned', but most of us, as you aptly pointed out, are aware of one theory of life, and it's that 'you create your reality by your thoughts and energy', and by turning the attention to how 'unfair' or 'evil' life is, you are contributing to this, not actually fighting against it. Whether you do believe this is not the point, the fact that you seem to be intent on directing attention towards negativity is what is jumping out at me.
So please, before hijacking any more threads, think twice before posting.

[Amomiamup]

When I was about 4-5 years old our female cat had born 3 really cute white-greyish striped kittens.
Someday I looked at them and suddenly got an extreme pleasure to hurt or make them suffer. Not knowing what overcame me there I surrendered to the feeling and chose to satisfie it.
So i grabbed one of them and just as I was about to use the stapler on the tail of one of the little kittens my spirit could prevent from doing it.

I believe it was the same demon that used to destroy the relationship between my mom and her boyfriend at that period of time and also made my mom extremely angry and hitting me etc.

I’m not a psychologist, even though I took several classes of it in collage, but I don’t think that was a daemon. It sounds more to me that you where doing what nearly every kid does in your situation. You wanted to staple that kittens tail because you wanted to vent your frustrations onto something and at the same time gain the attention of your parents who you say broke up then began abusing you. This reaction is normal and happens to countless people. It has nothing to do with evil outside forces. I get the feeling you decided to attribute this behavior to evil because in a way it makes it not your fault. Its called a victim mentality again a completely natural response. I could be wrong but it looks to me you have created in your mind an elaborate story involving evil entities and a "universal correction" to look forward to that will some day make everything better. If you didn’t come up with it yourself you may have adopted a story from some other source and held onto it in order to comfort yourself from the memory of past events feeding into this victim mentality.

Please don’t take this as an attack on you or your beliefs in any way Rocky. I just hade a strong intuitive feeling that this was the case in some way and by shedding some light on it I could possibly help you in some way. Forgive me if I’m wrong. I feel your avid attempt to warn people could do more harm than good and make it harder for those people who have come to this site for help in there attempts to OBE and astral project.

~Scott

[UtidaBrar]

Sorry CFT ill stop talking off topic as well.

[U2DnBGFE]

Ok, this is over.
AE, if you want me to open it again notify me via pm and we'll see what we can do. As of now this thread is locked until further notice.